RME 9632 Vs. Motu 828 Audio

[akai96]

Here is a test I did comparing my RME card to my motu 828. The RME has a Lucid genx wordclock connected to it(which by the way I think makes it sound a bit better),this is a drum loop I programmed in logic pro.I think you'll be able to tell the difference right away!

[space2012]

did you made this test with the DDS in the hdsp settings turned OFF ?
hi quality digital cables?
clean AC power ?

all those things affect external clock tests.

[akai96]

Originally Posted by space2012

did you made this test with the DDS in the hdsp settings turned OFF ?
hi quality digital cables?
clean AC power ?

all those things affect external clock tests.

Yes. Can you tell which one is which?

[akai96]

These are just bounced to disk so It's all ITB.

[space2012]

the Test A.mp3
sounds incredible good.

i must say im impressed, i have also RME hdsp9632, and here does not sound this good.
that same AKM chip & op-amp used in the the FireFace800, but with the original RME SteadyClock(TM) is no good for acoustic things, the highs sound verry weird/collapsed/plastic.
...
the .mp3 files have an ID3 TAG

the TestA.mp3 ID3 Tag say is RME HD9632.
the TestB.mp3 ID3 Tag say is motu 828

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but anyway...
the diference its incredible, the TestB.mp3 sounds like crap.
the TestA.mp3 sounds loud upfront, clear, defined, detailed and powerful.

Thanks. brings hope to my hdsp9632.

[akai96]

I have also RME hdsp9632, and here does not sound this good.
that same AKM chip & op-amp used in the the FireFace800, but with the original RME SteadyClock(TM) is no good for acoustic things, the highs sound verry weird/collapsed/plastic.

Had the same problem until I bought the lucid genx Wordclock. Made all the difference in the world. Paid only $150 for it!

[illacov]

What exactly did you do to make this test happen?

If you bounced to disk then nothing passed thru these converters.

All you would be doing is monitoring the output of each DA at your studio but all we hear is the mp3 of the internal bounce which hits no converters at all.

Not trying to give you a hard time but it seems like you forgot to mention exactly what we are listening to and how each converter was hitting it.

As another poster said, did you just do a analog loopback? DA out to AD in??

Or a digital one??

The wordclock part is cool, I never knew that the RME clocks weren't that good.

FWIW I have the HDSP 9652 (the newer one with Totalmix) on the way that I scored for $200!! And I'm going to use it with 3 ADA8000s, I'm still debating about external clock because I heard the adat clocking on the RME cards is great. I'm also going to get 8 more analog outs from RME since its only $70 more for their 8 out add on card.

As I said please clarify

Peace
Illumination

[akai96]

Originally Posted by illacov

What exactly did you do to make this test happen?

If you bounced to disk then nothing passed thru these converters.

All you would be doing is monitoring the output of each DA at your studio but all we hear is the mp3 of the internal bounce which hits no converters at all.

Not trying to give you a hard time but it seems like you forgot to mention exactly what we are listening to and how each converter was hitting it.

As another poster said, did you just do a analog loopback? DA out to AD in??

Or a digital one??

The wordclock part is cool, I never knew that the RME clocks weren't that good.

FWIW I have the HDSP 9652 (the newer one with Totalmix) on the way that I scored for $200!! And I'm going to use it with 3 ADA8000s, I'm still debating about external clock because I heard the adat clocking on the RME cards is great. I'm also going to get 8 more analog outs from RME since its only $70 more for their 8 out add on card.

As I said please clarify

Peace
Illumination

I bounced to disk,and there is still an amazing difference in my opinion.
yep it's all digital

[akai96]

what poster said anything about analog looping?

[akai96]

also the rme has a great external clock! but the lucid genx is is better.

[MonoBrow]

Cant hear any difference at all.And i would be surprised if anyone can.

[akai96]

Originally Posted by Fluxpod

Cant hear any difference at all.And i would be surprised if anyone can.

that just means you can't.

[MonoBrow]

No.And maybe you should just do a 0 test and read a few things why a Internal bounce can not affect the quality of those files at all.

[akai96]

Originally Posted by Fluxpod

No.And maybe you should just do a 0 test and read a few things why a Internal bounce can not affect the quality of those files at all.

I don;t care about reading, I care about what I hear,and obviously you can not hear a difference and I can.

[MonoBrow]

Originally Posted by akai96

I don;t care about reading, I care about what I hear,and obviously you can not hear a difference and I can.

Put both tracks into your sequencer of choice.Put both channels to same gain then flip the phase on 1 channel.Its really that easy.Its not about opinions here.....there can not be a difference and if you hear one it is created between your ears.

[akai96]

Originally Posted by Fluxpod

Put both tracks into your sequencer of choice.Put both channels to same gain then flip the phase on 1 channel.Its really that easy.Its not about opinions here.....there can not be a difference and if you hear one it is created between your ears.

If one audio card has a better clock on it, bounced or not it will sound different.

[akai96]

you sound like you have not been doing this very long.

[MonoBrow]

Originally Posted by akai96

If one audio card has a better clock on it, bounced or not it will sound different.

No.How should it affect a process that isnt running thru the audio card?

[akai96]

Originally Posted by Fluxpod

No.How should it affect a process that isnt running thru the audio card?

yep you really don't know.

[MonoBrow]

Originally Posted by akai96

you sound like you have not been doing this very long.

Thats also a comment you can just save to yourself.If you can not understand the difference between bouncing and a loop back test which would indeed show differences in clocking and different converters...well.

[MonoBrow]

Originally Posted by akai96

yep you really don't know.

Tell me,i am all ears chief.

[akai96]

If you can't hear that's on you. Even bouncing each file(midi instrument) to disk and importing back using different cards or audio interfaces are always some what different,you really don't know what your talking about bro.

[akai96]

and who said anything about looping,and why?

[MonoBrow]

Originally Posted by akai96

If you can't hear that's on you. Even bouncing each file(midi instrument) to disk and importing back using different cards or audio interfaces are always some what different,you really don't know what your talking about bro.

Just do the phase flip test and hear for yourself...the files cancel each other out 99.9%.....I dont know what you want to proof but you arent looking very smart at the moment.Its such a simple concept....

[akai96]

Originally Posted by illacov

What exactly did you do to make this test happen?


As another poster said, did you just do a analog loopback? DA out to AD in??

O

Peace
Illumination

What poster mentioned that?!?

[akai96]

Originally Posted by Fluxpod

Just do the phase flip test and hear for yourself...the files cancel each other out 99.9%.....I dont know what you want to proof but you arent looking very smart at the moment.Its such a simple concept....

I give up.

[MonoBrow]

Originally Posted by akai96

I give up.

Trust me..its the best option.

[akai96]

Originally Posted by Fluxpod

Trust me..its the best option.

Ive done this already and can still HEAR the difference. But I must say I can also hear the difference in changing time resolution (PPQ) in sequencers,done it blind too.So my ears are super sensitive I guess.

[Heartfelt]

I think the point is that if you created it in the computer and bounced to disk, neither file ran through
the input of your converter which means the files are the same. Neither has been processed by a converter.
The only time it touches a converter is on playback. When YOU listen back on different
converters, sure you can hear it but we have no way to hear your converters cause the file never
went through the inputs.

make sense?

The reason someone mentioned loopback is because the only way for us to hear what you hear is to
play the track out of the computer, back through one of your converters which would stamp the
converters sonic qualities into the file. Without doing that, only you will hear the difference.

Make sense?

[illacov]

You'd replied that you used high quality digital cables.

These would only be necessary for "recording" into the 9632 digitally or playback.

I still think you can make this a test if you were to simply connect an analog out to an in on the MOTU and the RME.

I sold my MOTU 2408 so I don't have the means to test it against my RME HDSP 9652. BUT that being said, the HDSP 9652 is MUCH MUCH tighter, more accurate and together sounding. I can definitely detect transients in a more concise manner and the sensitivity is increased as far as better frequency response at lower levels.

Peace
Illumination