Short converter test - Fireface vs UA 2192

[Flying_Dutchman]

Hallo friends,

here a short test i did between Fireface 800 and UA 2192 "ADs".
Drums are software, no AD in the game.
I played 4 Guitars and 1 Guitar as Bass (Detuned + EQ in Cubase).
No Mixing, etc....
Off course both at same SR, 96khz.

What do you like more, why?

Thanks!

... I´m into bad teeth suffer at the moment, would like to run against walls, medication doesn´t help... please don´t care about playing, etc....

[Flying_Dutchman]

i don´t know why, but upload fails, filesize is just 3,9 mb

so i did it like this:

www.consolstudios.de/a.wav

www.consolstudios.de/b.wav

[Flying_Dutchman]

Hahar, i should have written converter test...
my head is near explosion...

[aidmc]

Actually i think A is a bit maybe louder? And B has a little bit more depth to it... a little more bass maybe? fatter?

Not sure which i like better though

[Flying_Dutchman]

Originally Posted by aidmc

Actually i think A is a bit maybe louder? And B has a little bit more depth to it... a little more bass maybe? fatter?

Not sure which i like better though

Thanks for reply!

[Yetti]

Originally Posted by Flying_Dutchman

Hallo friends,

here a short test i did between Fireface 800 and UA 2192 "ADs".
Drums are software, no AD in the game.
I played 4 Guitars and 1 Guitar as Bass (Detuned + EQ in Cubase).
No Mixing, etc....
Off course both at same SR, 96khz.

What do you like more, why?

Thanks!

... I´m into bad teeth suffer at the moment, would like to run against walls, medication doesn´t help... please don´t care about playing, etc....

I like A
Seemed to have more air around it...a little more clarity.
Sounds like you had Zak Wild on guitar for the test.

[aidmc]

Originally Posted by Yetti

I like A
Seemed to have more air around it...a little more clarity.

ahh that's the word i was looking for!

Cool riff...

[Flying_Dutchman]

Originally Posted by Yetti

I like A
Seemed to have more air around it...a little more clarity.
Sounds like you had Zak Wild on guitar for the test.

Thanks for comparing it to Zak Wild, i love his music.

Chain for guitar was:

Caparison Dellinger 1 / bridge Pu --> Maxxon OD820 Pro (like reading a clock: 3,12,12) -->
Peavey 6505 / High Gain, Lead Channel, Gain:4, Low: 6, Mid: 3, High: 5 , Post Gain: 3,5, Reso: 9, Prescence 9
--> GT Model A1 (or1A) mic, between center and cone, 2 inch from speaker (Mesa 4x12 tradiotional, v30s) --> Foresell SMP2 --> AD

[Flying_Dutchman]

Originally Posted by aidmc

ahh that's the word i was looking for!

Cool riff...

Thanks, riff was done in 3 seconds, but i like it too :-)

[Yetti]

Originally Posted by Flying_Dutchman

Thanks for comparing it to Zak Wild, i love his music.

Chain for guitar was:

Caparison Dellinger 1 / bridge Pu --> Maxxon OD820 Pro (like reading a clock: 3,12,12) -->
Peavey 6505 / High Gain, Lead Channel, Gain:4, Low: 6, Mid: 3, High: 5 , Post Gain: 3,5, Reso: 9, Prescence 9
--> GT Model A1 (or1A) mic, between center and cone, 2 inch from speaker (Mesa 4x12 tradiotional, v30s) --> Foresell SMP2 --> AD

Very cool...thanks for the details Brotha.
Keep rockin....hopefully with a real drummer instead of samples.
Curious to see which one is a...don't give it away too soon.

[Flying_Dutchman]

Originally Posted by Yetti

Very cool...thanks for the details Brotha.
Keep rockin....hopefully with a real drummer instead of samples.
Curious to see which one is a...don't give it away too soon.

I´m sitting next to the setup, so i can get the details :-) In 2 hours i wouldn´t know anymore, this fxxxg teeth suffer arghhh, my right ear is like deaf, i can feel the blood pulsating though my head, maybe 7Hz?? i got to drink fast and much...

Ill wait some time till i post the A/B names... to let the other people around here be open minded when listening.

[lllubi]

a has more transients thats why i like it over b
just discussing with a friend to get the fireface for stability and drivers

wav.a should be the UA 2192 for better sound but it reminds me more
on my multiface i used for years so i say it is the RME Fireface

[Flying_Dutchman]

Originally Posted by lllubi

a has more transients thats why i like it over b
just discussing with a friend to get the fireface for stability and drivers

wav.a should be the UA 2192 for better sound but it reminds me more
on my multiface i used for years so i say it is the RME Fireface

I wont off course say whats a or b at this moment,
but i can say that i use rme products for years, multiface, than fireface when it came out. I never had any system crash or audio dropout or anything else in all the years.
It´s fantastic.

[travelboy]

I'd really like to see that sort of comparison between the Fireface and API A2D. Can anybody do one?

I agree that in terms of driver quality and stability, nothing comes close to RME.

[Mr.HOLMES]

Originally Posted by Yetti

I like A
Seemed to have more air around it...a little more clarity.

I agree to this statement even in B the snare was covert by something and not that open.

Bot are good but if you ask for personal taste...YES A would be my goto DA.
I guess A is the RME....

[allencollins]

tone down the comp

[dambro2]

I like A. Just feels like it has more "depth", whatever the hell that means!

[adisc]

A for sure .I hope is RME ( ) .

But not a big difference... A is bright and B is little dark . U can resolv this with an eq...

[Flying_Dutchman]

Originally Posted by allencollins

tone down the comp

ok, you mean less compression, right?

i did a second test this morning, tried to play as equal as possible, etc, no compression, just some fx:

www.consolstudios.de/a2.wav

www.consolstudios.de/b2.wav

What do you think?
Thanks

[Flying_Dutchman]

Thank you all for answering,
i share most of your thoughts, but wont let the cat out of the bag now.
I hope some others will give opinions...
Ill wait till next weekend, ok?
Cheers

[zeljkom]

I like a2. It's somehow more open. Reverb is "nicer" too.
Listening chain:Lavry BLue DA, Adam A7 and Dynaudio Bm6a

[myrtlebacker]

Originally Posted by Flying_Dutchman

Thank you all for answering

My opinion is that the differences in playing and gain staging are greater than the differences made by the converters. Call me cynical.

[Flying_Dutchman]

Originally Posted by myrtlebacker

My opinion is that the differences in playing and gain staging are greater than the differences made by the converters. Call me cynical.

Playing isn´t this good, i know, but i´d like to hear sth from a 3k converter, even if its played not exactly the same, but maybe i did a mistake...

...Gain Staging could be the problem. When i use the same preamp on 2192 or Fireface, the preamp will get more peaks dbfs on the fireface. I would hav had to recalibrate the UA2192, i think. So in this example i just took the same preamp gain and than normalized ths files in Cubase. Maybe this was wrong?
How would you do this?

[mr jkn]

Like A and A2 better, a bit wider, deeper and open.

Thank u for the test

[Flying_Dutchman]

Let me say that A and A2 are maybe not the same converter....

[Reborn]

As a user of RME products. I am quite sure the inferior clip (darker) is the RME. The idea that this difference can be easily eq'd away is not true. The convertor puts a signature on a sound like anything else electronic. The thing about your convertor though is it is on every track. In todays High track count projects (48-72 tracks), the sound of a convertor wil build up. Especially noise created by the circutry of the convertor and clocking quality which effects focus. I would be willing to say that a project tracked through the better quality convertor of these two choices wil require less prcessing during mixing in the Box. This will have a direct effect on fidelity.

Jazztone

[Flying_Dutchman]

A - UA
B- Rme
A2 - Rme
B2. UA

I´m, trakking 100+ tracks right now and i think the difference is there, big difference, but i cant give examples..
rock on

[Audio Hombre]

thanks for this. i use rme quite often but upon listening to a & b (haven't listened to the others) i was quite certain that a wasn't the rme. i've never used the 2192 but everything i have heard and read about it leads one to believe that it has a lot of analog qualities, something the rme doesn't. so as i would hope and expect, the superior ad clearly showed itself.

there was so much more cohesiveness in the lows and mids and the rme by comparison added this scratchy almost unresolved crackle in the mids that i don't like in distorted guitars. the 2192 pwned the rme in this example, and as a supporter of rme's stuff, i have no prob admitting it. i've been wanting to get my hands on a 2192 for quite sometime now and even more so after this example.thanks again

got to also give a thumbs up to that forsell

[Flying_Dutchman]

Originally Posted by Audio Hombre

thanks for this. i use rme quite often but upon listening to a & b (haven't listened to the others) i was quite certain that a wasn't the rme. i've never used the 2192 but everything i have heard and read about it leads one to believe that it has a lot of analog qualities, something the rme doesn't. so as i would hope and expect, the superior ad clearly showed itself.

there was so much more cohesiveness in the lows and mids and the rme by comparison added this scratchy almost unresolved crackle in the mids that i don't like in distorted guitars. the 2192 pwned the rme in this example, and as a supporter of rme's stuff, i have no prob admitting it. i've been wanting to get my hands on a 2192 for quite sometime now and even more so after this example.thanks again

got to also give a thumbs up to that forsell

I share your thoughts.
I´d like to hear the Burl B2 and will do it, maybe next week.
Trying the Forssell is a good idea. I think you won´t be disapointed.
Thanks!

[Flying_Dutchman]

I had to delete the files, i need the server place.
If someone is still interested pm me.