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Old 21st July 2012   #1
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I think that Apple is going to take the direction of making the new 7 inch iPad a combination device to work with your iPhone.
Let's face it, everybody has an iPhone but what if you could get a 7 inch iPad that will work in combination with your iPhone for doing your browsing making phone calls jotting down notes.

I recently got a 7 inch Dell android tablet and realized that the 7 inch format is really convenient and will work just as effectively as a 10 inch iPad will. the Dell tablet has a great voice command feature as well as voice dictation that seems to work a little better than even Siri does. I've grown to like the 7 inch format very much and also like the Google integration voice features.

So the bottom line here is I think that Apple is going to make a tablet that will be an enhancement to your iPhone as well as to replace the iPod touch.

The 7 inch form factor does fit in your pocket and does work well for browsing. I can imagine when this is directly connected to your iPhone so that you can make phone calls through your 7 inch tablet, this'll be a great feature.
I certainly hope Apple takes this course with their new 7 inch tablet.
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The first thing I thought when I saw the first iPod with a touch screen was that they should make two other versions ASAP: one the size of a TV (in other words - a TV with all the capabilities of an iDevice), and one the size of a pocketbook or wallet; the most tested and tried out portable formats on this planet. My iPhone is just a little to small for "serious work", and my iPad is too large to put in a jacket pocket.

So when I saw your thread title, I assumed that Apple already had released a 7" iPad, but no.... :-)
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They just have to be careful.

The iPhone really hurt ipod sales (their most popular product at the time), as the 10" iPad hurt Macbook sales. A 7" cheaper iPad will most certainly hurt the sales of the 10" more expensive iPad. If they sell twice the amount of 7" tablets to make up for it, then it's okay. It's all whether they are willing to take the risk. It has to make business sense. Personally, I think a 7" tablet would be better than a 10" one, and the price would certainly be more attractive at the possible price of about $299
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The iPhone really hurt ipod sales (their most popular product at the time), as the 10" iPad hurt Macbook sales. A 7" cheaper iPad will most certainly hurt the sales of the 10" more expensive iPad.
Sure, but if they don't do it, someone else will. In terms of 7" tablets, someone else already are doing it...

Personally, I'd like to have a 7" tablet *with* phone abilities, or a much larger phone than my iPhone. In the long run, I doubt that a lot of us will walk around with two iDevices in our pockets.
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Next iPhone will likely be a bit larger, and while I don't know about 'work with the iPhone' I think that the 7" iPad will debut as the 'budget but current' iPad model, possibly without a retina screen at first to keep volume up & profits up.
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Next iPhone will likely be a bit larger, and while I don't know about 'work with the iPhone' I think that the 7" iPad will debut as the 'budget but current' iPad model, possibly without a retina screen at first to keep volume up & profits up.
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At $200-$300 the rumored 7.85" iPad is going to be extremely popular and since it's said to have the same screen 'size' as the 10" iPad it will have 40% more screen estate than competing 7" Nook, KindleFire and Nexus7. Retina displays are too costly at that price-point. "Work with iPhone" doesn't make a lot of sense to me, aside from the iPhone's ability to *already* act as a WiFi hotspot.

Since the iPod Touch is currently $200 and hasn't been processor/screen updated in 2(?) years Apple will possibly kill it, but that would be a shame since the size is very useful. Hopefully they'll just slot it in at a somewhat lower price, like the way the significantly less capacious iPod Mini was only $50 cheaper than the original iPod but was still a huge seller because of the popularity of the form-factor.
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I have a 6" Kindle and the form factor is great (not the performance). A 7" iPad should be hugely popular.
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I have a 6" Kindle and the form factor is great (not the performance). A 7" iPad should be hugely popular.
For doing what? Is this purely a low end consumer type of device? What does an iPad offer me? Web browsing? MP3 player? Camera? I already have a smart phone. Beat Maker? I have a laptop mobile workstation that has no limitations.

Who is the market for this kind of product? I like touch screens, but it has to enable me to do something that I can't already do. Seems like a netbook without a keyboard to me. Is the key feature of an iPad that it gets girls hot and bothered? Does this come with a purse?
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I have a 6" Kindle and the form factor is great (not the performance). A 7" iPad should be hugely popular.
Nearly 8" actually. and it will offer something like 40% more screen real estate than the 7" Kindle Fire or Nook Color.

Apple's pricing matrix is pretty interesting, and informative.



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Apple CEO Tim Cook said in an interview recently that “one thing we’ll make sure is that we don’t leave a price umbrella for people” in the iPad market. Given the smaller $200 7" tablets out now (like the Nexus 7, with an average screen and no 3G and a dearth of designed for tablet apps) and Apple's fairly consistent pricing structure, the 7.85" iPad will almost certainly slot in between $200 and $300. Since the 16Gb Nexus 7 sells for $250 I'd guess that Apple would price its 8Gb version at that same price.
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My major two iPad uses? PDF based eBooks...web browsing. Neither of those say 7" Is good enough. Ever open a PDF on one of those Google tabs that's smaller? Fail.

And I want the iPhone to be SMALLER...and a better PHONE. I miss having my little (red) 8gb Nano in my pocket. A cell shouldn't need to be much bigger than that. The big heavy glass hunk of 4? I'll upgrade to a larger one...never. Fail.

Maybe I'm not typical demographic. But, I love my iDevices...and both those would be moving in the wrong direction. I actually want to see a convertible MacBookAir. full MacOS 13" laptop w/iPad touchscreen. No case needed--just flip the cover back around and close the laptop. Give me THAT...512gb SSD...battery life for days of use like the iPad...keyboard and USB ports...file system...take what's food about both...
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I have both an Ipad and the Playbook. The Playbook can go in my back pocket, and supports flash, sites show up nicer on it. 2gigs of Ram, dual core (if I recall correctly) but they're going out of business.

This is how you market a business friendly device wrong.

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Desktops are becoming laptops. Laptops are becoming ultrabook/convertible tablets. Tablets are becoming smart phones. Its like nothing new, just a stop-gap miniaturization. When do we get a smart phone wristwatch with a projector for viewing things on the nearest flat surface?

I thank the early adopters for paying the R&D costs so that in 3 years I'll be rocking a smart-watch and super powered ultrabook though.
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I think that Apple is going to take the direction of making the new 7 inch iPad a combination device to work with your iPhone.
Let's face it, everybody has an iPhone but what if you could get a 7 inch iPad that will work in combination with your iPhone for doing your browsing making phone calls jotting down notes.

I recently got a 7 inch Dell android tablet and realized that the 7 inch format is really convenient and will work just as effectively as a 10 inch iPad will. the Dell tablet has a great voice command feature as well as voice dictation that seems to work a little better than even Siri does. I've grown to like the 7 inch format very much and also like the Google integration voice features.

So the bottom line here is I think that Apple is going to make a tablet that will be an enhancement to your iPhone as well as to replace the iPod touch.

The 7 inch form factor does fit in your pocket and does work well for browsing. I can imagine when this is directly connected to your iPhone so that you can make phone calls through your 7 inch tablet, this'll be a great feature.
I certainly hope Apple takes this course with their new 7 inch tablet.
Why not just a 7 inch iPhone or Android?

Why carry two devices? If you're going out for an evening on the town, carry your small phone. If you're going to the coffee house on Sunday morning, you take the pad-phone. Many carriers have good discounts for multiple phones. The unconventional, pay-for-the-tier-you-use US carrier/reseller Ting allows you to add phones for $6 a device [great for families, although you'll want to keep an eye on the data under Ting, as they don't cut you off or slow you down when you reach the 'normal' usage threshold, they just charge you more]. You might have to set up call forwarding for convenience so people don't have to guess what phone you're using.
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They just have to be careful.

The iPhone really hurt ipod sales (their most popular product at the time), as the 10" iPad hurt Macbook sales. A 7" cheaper iPad will most certainly hurt the sales of the 10" more expensive iPad. If they sell twice the amount of 7" tablets to make up for it, then it's okay. It's all whether they are willing to take the risk. It has to make business sense. Personally, I think a 7" tablet would be better than a 10" one, and the price would certainly be more attractive at the possible price of about $299
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I actually want to see a convertible MacBookAir. full MacOS 13" laptop w/iPad touchscreen. No case needed--just flip the cover back around and close the laptop. Give me THAT...512gb SSD...battery life for days of use like the iPad...keyboard and USB ports...file system...take what's food about both...
This is exactly what would interest me. In fact it would be really cool if it were dual boot so it could run Mac OS and iOS as and when needed.
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This is exactly what would interest me. In fact it would be really cool if it were dual boot so it could run Mac OS and iOS as and when needed.
That would be awesome.

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the iPhone 5 will not be much larger as they will keep it a one handed usage product. I have large hands and when i used the Samsung Galaxy III i could not do some functions without using 2 hands....... Too bad because its a really nice phone/device.
I did really like the Samsung Note, really convienent for just what they market it for..... A modern note pad and tech device.

My thoughts for the new 7" iPad would be, say you are using it to browse the web and you get a call on your iPhone (its in your pocket ) you could answer the phone from the 7" iPad and also look up phone #'s and emails while you are on the call still. Basically the units can be connected together and in sync at user defined levels.

At a certain point of wanting too many features, you should think about getting a 11" Air, thats a really great & small fully kick butt laptop that delivers some serious performance for its size.

And another thing that i have to give props to apple for ....... Battery life. They seem to do it much better than others as i have experienced.
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Yes, the 11" Air is great...for a tiny laptop. I'd still choose the iPad touchscreen. As would my elderly mother who is in heaven now that she can point and touch and stretch with her fingers...I'm saying you combine the two...Wintel has had lousy convertible units for 10 years--mostly lousy because the screen tech and OS integration for it was never there--physically, it's fine--twist the screen and lock it to be a thicker iPad like tablet...twist and open--it's an Air...that closes up for travel like any small laptop clamshell.

Understood its a pricier thing...true laptop replacement, but I'd be willing to spend more on an iThingy to have a true UsB file system and be able to run Logic or even Ear Master Pro...you know? The revolution of the iPad is the touch screen and the SSD it runs on. Airs are crazy fast for the same reason--give them a touchscreen...that's all I'm saying.
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This is exactly what would interest me. In fact it would be really cool if it were dual boot so it could run Mac OS and iOS as and when needed.
I imagine it should be able to run iOS as a client. But I'm no OS X maven.

I do opresume that that's precisely how the full model of the (still vaporous) MS Surface runs a full Windows 8 and the Metro mobile device OS.
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My major two iPad uses? PDF based eBooks...web browsing. Neither of those say 7" Is good enough. Ever open a PDF on one of those Google tabs that's smaller? Fail.
Then you'd probably like the upcoming iPad, if the rumors are right.



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And I want the iPhone to be SMALLER...Maybe I'm not typical demographic
Yeah, that's not going to happen. Smartphones are finally outselling 'dumb' cellphones and many (most?) people are using them more as portable computing devices more than phones and don't want smaller screens at all.
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I imagine it should be able to run iOS as a client. But I'm no OS X maven.
iOS is a customized subset of OS X, and developers code for iOS on Macs using an emulator. So if Apple wanted to put a touchscreen on a Macbook Air, for example, and enabled runtime iOS on it they could fairly easily.

But Apple has been pretty adamant the last few years that they are not looking to do this any time soon, and put forth a number of arguments (related to cost, technology, optimal user satisfaction, and others) for this position.
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touchscreen laptops have been tested for years......... do you really think Apple would have missed that one? They just don't fly, peoples arms get tired pointing at a screen, it's been tested to death!.........
i know what someone's gonna say "i'd love it"....... but if people actually loved it Apple or Microsoft or any other company would have been on that format years ago.
Touchscreen laptops only sound like a good idea, until you have to use one.
I tried Protools with a Wacom Cintique 24" Touch Screen many years ago. It worked well, but it SUCKS to actually use one for a few hours....... a mouse type interface is MUCH better for dealing with a audio program.
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I think the point is we'd like to see a dual purpose tablet/notebook. We can flip it and use it as a touch pad when we want, or we could open it and use it as a computer with a full operating system and keyboard and mouse when needed. Would certainly be cool!

I think the money should be in marketing for pad devices to take over home phones. Imagine a 8" tablet sitting on your kitchen counters with the help of Skype or Face time to make the Jetsons truly a reality - your home phone is now a device that displays the news, the weather, has your social connections, and your actual home phone all in one sitting atop the counter. Of course all of this already exists, the point is the marketing for it to take over an aspect of life that once was never really took off, and I think it could.

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I think the point is we'd like to see a dual purpose tablet/notebook.
Like that old Lone Ranger joke: What You Mean "We," White Man?

There are sound economical, business and ergonomic reasons to keep iOS and OS X apart.
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I definitely want a larger iPad, not a smaller one.

Would love it to be roughly twice the size.

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Like that old Lone Ranger joke: What You Mean "We," White Man?

There are sound economical, business and ergonomic reasons to keep iOS and OS X apart.
Very true indeed. Also from a security point of view I could see the dual boot idea as very risky for anything other than fun home use. But for home / personal use I think it would be cool. In we I was just implying those who suggested so in the thread. The whole like 2 of us. Haha.

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Id love to see 7incher. Ive owned iPad for few months and got rid of it mainly because it wasnt quite smooth experience when using it as an ebook reader. Its edges are realy sharpish and I found out its a pain in the as reading a book on it with both hands.

Loved the idea foe Nexus tab but too bad it failed with display fiasco
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Id love to see 7incher. Ive owned iPad for few months and got rid of it mainly because it wasnt quite smooth experience when using it as an ebook reader. Its edges are realy sharpish and I found out its a pain in the as reading a book on it with both hands.

Loved the idea foe Nexus tab but too bad it failed with display fiasco
i wasn't aware of the "sharp edges" on a iPad? i have all 3 versions and none seem sharp?

also i just got a Nexus 7 as a gift and dont notice a screen display problem? what am i missing? the Nexus 7 works very well once you get used to the Android system... i think there are many great features in android that are better than iOS. as always it would be great to merge all the great features.
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Then you'd probably like the upcoming iPad, if the rumors are right.

If that projection is accurate then it may not be a great seller. The reason why the Nexus and other 7" tablets are selling so well is because of the smaller size form factor, people are buying a smaller screen over a larger one, so larger screen real estate obviously isn't a deciding factor. They're much lighter and can fit into a womans purse or an outdoor jacket pocket.

Something like the smaller iPad shown there doesn't have the advantages of that as it's just too big to be convenient and will probably have the heavy aluminum body, so it will only be a compromised larger iPad. Not quite as good to read stuff on as the larger screen. Perhaps Apple have some other tricks up their sleeves to make the it a better value proposition or make it more desirable, but without Steve Jobs' halo effect this is gonna be hard sell and looks more like the kind of gaff that MS would make instead.
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