Triggering Odyssey with Kenton CV-Gate??

Luko · 15th November 2006

Hello,

I have no trouble sending midi via my kenton CV-Gate convereter to my other older synths such as the SH 101 etc.. but am stumped with getting the odyssey to make sound via the midi i send it

anyone here know what i may be doing worng

I have noticed that while senidng midi data to the odyssey if i hold down a key, the initial key will sound out but then faintly in the backgorund i can hear the midi pattern it should be playing, playing softly in teh background, like the release of the first note i hit is actually playing the midi pattern??

cheers

twilt · 15th November 2006

have you had the arp checked by a proper tech who can ensure you the cv/gate is all good?
are you trying to synch filter parameters at the same time or only cv/gate stuff????????
cheers

teknosmoker · 15th November 2006

I too had trouble getting my odyssey to sound from a Kenton Pro-Solo, even though my SH-101 worked fine. I ended up taking the odyssey to my local synth repair guy (who I'd purchased the odyssey from) and had the CV in adjusted so that it could accept and translate the CV properly.

I should note that my odyssey had been modified with additional CV inputs to control the filter and 2 oscillators separately.

Good luck!

-T

Cojo · 15th November 2006

Hi.

I'm not sure about the odyssey but some synths have negative gate and some have positive gate. There is also different voltages. Then there is the cv scale, which comes in two variants as well (but this shuld get it out of tune so you would here it).

EDIT: I looked the Odyssey up at Kentons page and it looks like it has the same standard as the SH101 so if the SH works then the Odyssey would work as well.

/Cojo

dlmorley · 15th November 2006

ARP's like gate & trigger.
Connect one of the aux outputs of the Kenton to the trigger input and set that to supply trigger (it's in the manual somewhere)
In short you need CV, Gate & Trigger

Luko · 15th November 2006

hey thanx for all the replies

sounds like teknosmoker has been down the same road..

the Odyssey is the MKIII (red and black) that has cv/gate ins and outs, so i can then link it with something else or even another ody'

sound like i need to take it down to my local synth guy..

the kenton is a Pro Solo 2 (not that I think that matters?)

Will also consult the manual re: running triiger as well

Cheers

dlmorley · 16th November 2006

Well, yes. Your description is exactly what happens when you don't use trigger. It doesn't sound broken in any way...
The envelope get's retriggered by the trigger but the gate starts it off. so if you connect a trigger, every time you press a key, even without letting go of the previous one, the envelope starts.

Luko · 17th November 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by twilt

are you trying to synch filter parameters at the same time or only cv/gate stuff????????
cheers

sorry mate didnt see that question, just cv-gate stuff, sending midi patterns from sequencer to arp and recording audio back into the sequencer

dlmorely cheers for the reply man, will give it a shot

dlmorley · 17th November 2006

BTW: Which odyssey is it? I presume it has 6 minijacks on the back for cv-gate in/out or is it different (the early ones didn't have cv-gate connectors so it could have had them added later..and maybe there IS a problem there, but I doubt it)
In any case, it doesn't sound like a big problem.

The other thing you can try is to connect the gate out to both the gate & trigger inputs on the arp (just use a splitter cable mini jack -> 2 mini jack). That should work too.

GregoryK · 19th February 2008

Hello,
I'm triggering my ARP Odyssey mkIII (black/orange) via Kenton Pro Solo mkII (midi to CV converter) using "CV in" and "GATE in" sockets of Odyssey. Everything seems ok, and the Odyssey is playing.
But the problem is: if I play the Odyssey using its own keyboard while the Odyssey itself is connected to Kenton interface - then Odyssey is always playing only one note (the last note received from midi), independently of which key I press :(
Can anyone help me?

Thank you!
Grigory

waveterm · 19th February 2008

There is nothing wrong with your Odyssey. It should behave that way when an external CV-source is connected.

Consult the manual and schematics for a deeper understanding of why.

WT

chrisso · 19th February 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlmorley

In short you need CV, Gate & Trigger

This is the answer to the question.

waveterm · 19th February 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisso

This is the answer to the question.

Yep, To the first question asked that is....but not to the second one.

WT

chrisso · 19th February 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by waveterm

Yep, To the first question asked that is....but not to the second one.

Did I say it was?

waveterm · 19th February 2008

Nah, nor did I say you said so

WT

GregoryK · 20th February 2008

Thank you for your helpful answers!

The user manual that I've downloaded is not describing these things in detail, though I beleive I should try to read the service manual..

And by the way, what is "Trig In" input is used for? The Kenton manual says that this input shouldn't be used with Kenton Pro Solo, but I tried to insert an "empty" minijack in this "Trig In" socket - and the Odyssey's own keyboard is not "blocked".. Is it possible to use "Trig In" instead of "CV In"?

Thank you again,
Grigory

dlmorley · 20th February 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grigory

Thank you for your helpful answers!

The user manual that I've downloaded is not describing these things in detail, though I beleive I should try to read the service manual..

And by the way, what is "Trig In" input is used for? The Kenton manual says that this input shouldn't be used with Kenton Pro Solo, but I tried to insert an "empty" minijack in this "Trig In" socket - and the Odyssey's own keyboard is not "blocked".. Is it possible to use "Trig In" instead of "CV In"?

Thank you again,
Grigory

I use my ARP 2600 and odyssey with a Pro-2 and Trig is used as well as Gate if you want to retrigger the envelopes
You can hook it up as CV-Gate-Trig. That is what the trig is for. Maybe the Solo can't do trig.
On the Pro-2 you use one of the aux outputs and set that to trig....
Make sense!?

analogbass · 20th February 2008

If there's any confusion just talk to a tech; the SH is a later generation that is much easier to sync. The Odyssey might require mods or at least some guidance as to how to use it. My black Odyssey had to be modded but was well worth it.

GregoryK · 5th March 2008

Ok, great. I think I should obtain a Kenton filter set to be able to control Odyssey's filter via Aux1 of Pro Solo.

Again, thank you to everyone for your help!

euggie2000 · 31st May 2008

I'm considering buying kenton pro solo. Does this mean that I can't use keyboard while being connected with the kenton? So the better choice would be more advanced interface?
Grigory, did you solve your problem?

15th November 2006	#1
Luko Gear maniac Joined: Sep 2006 Location: Melbourne Posts: 155 Thread Starter	Triggering Odyssey with Kenton CV-Gate?? Hello, I have no trouble sending midi via my kenton CV-Gate convereter to my other older synths such as the SH 101 etc.. but am stumped with getting the odyssey to make sound via the midi i send it anyone here know what i may be doing worng I have noticed that while senidng midi data to the odyssey if i hold down a key, the initial key will sound out but then faintly in the backgorund i can hear the midi pattern it should be playing, playing softly in teh background, like the release of the first note i hit is actually playing the midi pattern?? cheers

15th November 2006	#4
Cojo Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2005 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden! Posts: 1,471	Hi. I'm not sure about the odyssey but some synths have negative gate and some have positive gate. There is also different voltages. Then there is the cv scale, which comes in two variants as well (but this shuld get it out of tune so you would here it). EDIT: I looked the Odyssey up at Kentons page and it looks like it has the same standard as the SH101 so if the SH works then the Odyssey would work as well. /Cojo __________________ Conny Johansson [ www.asteroidkiller.com ]

19th February 2008	#10
GregoryK Gear interested Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 6	Another issue with ARP Odyssey - Kenton Pro Solo Hello, I'm triggering my ARP Odyssey mkIII (black/orange) via Kenton Pro Solo mkII (midi to CV converter) using "CV in" and "GATE in" sockets of Odyssey. Everything seems ok, and the Odyssey is playing. But the problem is: if I play the Odyssey using its own keyboard while the Odyssey itself is connected to Kenton interface - then Odyssey is always playing only one note (the last note received from midi), independently of which key I press :( Can anyone help me? Thank you! Grigory

19th February 2008	#11
waveterm Lives for gear Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,505	There is nothing wrong with your Odyssey. It should behave that way when an external CV-source is connected. Consult the manual and schematics for a deeper understanding of why. WT __________________ Just a guy with a bunch of blue things....

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15th November 2006	#2
twilt Gear nut Joined: Sep 2004 Location: right there where the husky's go Posts: 131	have you had the arp checked by a proper tech who can ensure you the cv/gate is all good? are you trying to synch filter parameters at the same time or only cv/gate stuff???????? cheers

15th November 2006	#3
teknosmoker Lives for gear Joined: Jan 2006 Location: Baltimore, MD - USA Posts: 876	I too had trouble getting my odyssey to sound from a Kenton Pro-Solo, even though my SH-101 worked fine. I ended up taking the odyssey to my local synth repair guy (who I'd purchased the odyssey from) and had the CV in adjusted so that it could accept and translate the CV properly. I should note that my odyssey had been modified with additional CV inputs to control the filter and 2 oscillators separately. Good luck! -T

15th November 2006	#5
dlmorley Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 4,932 1 Review written	ARP's like gate & trigger. Connect one of the aux outputs of the Kenton to the trigger input and set that to supply trigger (it's in the manual somewhere) In short you need CV, Gate & Trigger

15th November 2006	#6
Luko Gear maniac Joined: Sep 2006 Location: Melbourne Posts: 155 Thread Starter	hey thanx for all the replies sounds like teknosmoker has been down the same road.. the Odyssey is the MKIII (red and black) that has cv/gate ins and outs, so i can then link it with something else or even another ody' sound like i need to take it down to my local synth guy.. the kenton is a Pro Solo 2 (not that I think that matters?) Will also consult the manual re: running triiger as well Cheers

16th November 2006	#7
dlmorley Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 4,932 1 Review written	Well, yes. Your description is exactly what happens when you don't use trigger. It doesn't sound broken in any way... The envelope get's retriggered by the trigger but the gate starts it off. so if you connect a trigger, every time you press a key, even without letting go of the previous one, the envelope starts.

17th November 2006	#9
dlmorley Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 4,932 1 Review written	BTW: Which odyssey is it? I presume it has 6 minijacks on the back for cv-gate in/out or is it different (the early ones didn't have cv-gate connectors so it could have had them added later..and maybe there IS a problem there, but I doubt it) In any case, it doesn't sound like a big problem. The other thing you can try is to connect the gate out to both the gate & trigger inputs on the arp (just use a splitter cable mini jack -> 2 mini jack). That should work too.

19th February 2008	#15
waveterm Lives for gear Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,505	Nah, nor did I say you said so WT

20th February 2008	#16
GregoryK Gear interested Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 6	Thank you for your helpful answers! The user manual that I've downloaded is not describing these things in detail, though I beleive I should try to read the service manual.. And by the way, what is "Trig In" input is used for? The Kenton manual says that this input shouldn't be used with Kenton Pro Solo, but I tried to insert an "empty" minijack in this "Trig In" socket - and the Odyssey's own keyboard is not "blocked".. Is it possible to use "Trig In" instead of "CV In"? Thank you again, Grigory

20th February 2008	#18
analogbass Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2006 Location: Phoenix Posts: 854	If there's any confusion just talk to a tech; the SH is a later generation that is much easier to sync. The Odyssey might require mods or at least some guidance as to how to use it. My black Odyssey had to be modded but was well worth it.

5th March 2008	#19
GregoryK Gear interested Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 6	Ok, great. I think I should obtain a Kenton filter set to be able to control Odyssey's filter via Aux1 of Pro Solo. Again, thank you to everyone for your help!

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