So you think you are cool making electronic music?

[Bastiaan]

Cool perhaps, but a new thing...not really.

Have a look at these dudes....for them it was...

(this is a picture of composer Edgar Varèse in the mid-fifties i think)

[Ruphus]

Would be interesting to hear what they were doing.
I bet their pieces had a start and an ending with some variation of rhythm and melody in between. In opposite to todays monotony of elctronic shreds.

Ruphus

[Bastiaan]

http://www.centrebombe.org/music/rem...eseRemixed.mp3

thats a link to a piece cpomposed by that guy. A lot of normal classical instruments aswell

http://www.epc.buffalo.edu/sound/mp3...davidovsky.mp3 is a recreation of his work....

[DanV]

Originally posted by Ruphus
Would be interesting to hear what they were doing.
I bet their pieces had a start and an ending with some variation of rhythm and melody in between. In opposite to todays monotony of elctronic shreds.

Ruphus

I never found Varese's music to feature much of that actually.
His stuff can be pretty creepy at times though.

Some of my favorite electro-acoustic / music-concrete artists are:

Pierre Henry
Xenakis
John Cage
Subotnick
Bernard Parmegiani
Stockhausen
Luc Ferrari
Pierre Bastien

All of them are very worth checking out.

I still feel that not a lot of artists (in any genre) have reached the same level of sonic purity as these guys. Many of the early electronic composers would spend years completing a song.

[Heterodox]

I would of course have to add Aphex Twin and Squarepusher to that list.

[six_wax]

many genres are shunned by those who don't understand them.

they said the same thing about rock n' roll...

[Ruphus]

Thank you guys for mentioning those interprets, shall make me listen to it by chance, except maybe of John Cage from whose takes that I heard I always wondered what he´s trying in the music world. Were there no more polaroid cameras available? hihi

I checked the first link you posted, Bastiaan. Quite a horrible cacophony. But very interesting for me, as someone who figured ~ pre 70 audio mainly as low-fi, to hear what quality they captured back then already. Really surprising.

Ruphus

[DanV]

Originally posted by Heterodox
I would of course have to add Aphex Twin and Squarepusher to that list.

LOL.

About time, finally someone who speaks my language around here!

[Bastiaan]

pre 70 audio mainly as low-fi, to hear what quality they captured back then already

I've heard some stuff by Billy Holliday and that was recorded in the late fourties. Also some clasical music is OLD....and damn...it sounds good!

[ttauri]

The piece I like a lot is James Tenney's "Collage #1" (as a hip-hop/dj-/turntable-music guy, no surprise that I would), which is a wild tape-edit ride with Elvis Presley's "Blue Suede Shoes", mostly but not entirely dissolved into a swirl of varispeed ffwds and rewinds.

Kind of a proto-Skratch Piklz thing. Nifty!

In my high school, we could take an electronic music class where we were introduced to a lot of that kind of stuff, and got to mess around on a big patch-cord synth, play with an ARP, and learn to cut tape. Real glad to have taken it. Somewhere I still have a reel of the projects I did for the class--love to dig it out and see what it sounds like to me now.

Peece,
T. Tauri

[Ruphus]

Originally posted by Bastiaan
I've heard some stuff by Billy Holliday and that was recorded in the late fourties. Also some clasical music is OLD....and damn...it sounds good!

Yap, my old man used to listen to classics in the sixties of which some would sound quite good even on the stereo of that time. However, still the gross of old stuff I´ve heard in general wasn´t really too hi-fi.
That 4ties sound above really surprised me.

[brainmeat]

Revolution #9...!!!

Or that crazy solo in "Runaway"!

[vixapphire]

I wish I had his hairdo and eyebrows.

[feyshay]

Originally Posted by vixapphire

I wish I had his hairdo and eyebrows.

Evidently, the guy in back of him giving him a shoulder massage also finds him attractive.

[octatonic]

Varese was a huge influence on Frank Zappa.
Frank actually called him- spoke to his wife- Varese called him back.
I think Frank was 16 at the time.

Frank discovered Vai.

Vai discovered Devin Townsend, who is just a monster player/singer/writer.

[vixapphire]

Originally Posted by richmondjames

Varese was a huge influence on Frank Zappa.

I think he was also a huge influence on that guy from Flock of Seagulls. After all, they have the same hair.

[gsilbers]

Originally Posted by Bastiaan

Cool perhaps, but a new thing...not really.

Have a look at these dudes....for them it was...

(this is a picture of composer Edgar Varèse in the mid-fifties i think)

yep, they where making MUSIC CONCRETE or something like that in french.

do a search and listen to that era of stuff.

http://www.di.fm/edmguide/

hit on launch guide and go to the 50s

ill even start a thread on this history of electronic music. its cool although some of the coments are kinda.. bla

[dlmorley]

This is a great starter for anyone wanting to have a decent selection of early electronic music.

I love early electronic stuff. Superb concepts and ideas, but not usually as hummable as The Eagles for example

and this is what I call a studio... (in Munich, the Siemens Studio from the late 60's)

[DISCERN]

You guys should listen to Ballet Mecanique by George Antheil... particular anyone into industrial type electronic music. Remind yourself that it was written in 1924. One piece wasn't successfully performed until 1990 because it needed 16 player pianos. In 1990 these player pianos were replaced with midi controlled grand pianos.

Also I think Pierre Schaffer deserves an honourable mention. This railroad studies piece highlights the use of production techniques as creative practices, not corrective practices like they are most commonly used today.

[oudplayer]

Can't believe noone's mentioned Terry Riley, Steve Reich, Alvin Lucier, and LaMonte Young... they did a lot of interesting musique concrete before they settled in on more acoustic things.

+1 for Stockhausen, Varese, and Xenakis...

[DISCERN]

"I am s-s-standing in a room much like the one y-y-you are s-s-standing..."

I love that piece! Alvin Lucier's st*utter aids so much character to it as well. (* stops it turning into a smiley face --->)


Xenakis did that cracking charcole piece didn't he? The one that original was a huge sound installation with 300 odd speakers or something? That piece reminds me of that crackling candy that you put on your tongue and it starts fizzing and popping. I can even feel it when listening to that piece... crazy!

[max cooper]

Originally Posted by oudplayer

+1 for Stockhausen, Varese, and Xenakis...

Xenakis is waaaay outside.

He was also into architecture. A crony of Le Corbusier.

Also, check out Messiaen. Really cool. I'd start with the Nativite.

[Reptil]

Originally Posted by dlmorley

This is a great starter for anyone wanting to have a decent selection of early electronic music.

I love early electronic stuff. Superb concepts and ideas, but not usually as hummable as The Eagles for example

and this is what I call a studio... (in Munich, the Siemens Studio from the late 60's)

nice!
get your labcoat
on


btw I have one of those chairs (bauhaus) simple and brilliant, but it makes "krrrr" sounds so it's at the workbench

[vixapphire]

Originally Posted by dlmorley

This is a great starter for anyone wanting to have a decent selection of early electronic music.

I love early electronic stuff. Superb concepts and ideas, but not usually as hummable as The Eagles for example

and this is what I call a studio... (in Munich, the Siemens Studio from the late 60's)

you try sitting in one of those chairs for a week of 10 hour sessions and see what kind of melodies you come up with!

[dlmorley]

Not just the chairs, I'd probably update the lighting! btw, the big rack on the right is a vocoder. Gotta love it!

[Reptil]

a vocoder? eeh
actually I also have TL bulbs here (old school building)
vixapphire that is actually a good idea, I'll have to record that.

[lowkey]

Originally Posted by max cooper

Xenakis is waaaay outside.

He was also into architecture. A crony of Le Corbusier.

Also, check out Messiaen. Really cool. I'd start with the Nativite.

yes, he was an engineer and quite responsible for several projects including La Tourette [particularly the windows which referenced his electronicmusic compositions] and a pretty amazing surround sound expo pavillion.

he was famously fired by corb for asking tobe recognised for the work he was doing within the office. Corb had all of the locks changed and gave everyone a new key except Xenakis.

his music drives me mad...

[ShaneFontane]

Nobody's Cool
By The Arrogants

nobody's cool, we're all the same, you're not a player, life's not a game
don't you think it's time we left high school behind
you're not a stud, you're not the man, you're not a pimp, and i'm not a fan
your misogyny is just a plea for l-u-v

the only thing i've seen that's cool in my life is a mom who loves her child and a man who loves his wife

your two tattoos don't make you tough, please quit the act i've seen enough
you say you're different but you all end up the same
just be yourself, don't fake the geek, don't say you're random or a freak
dude you're not punk rock, we're all just human beings

the only thing i've seen that's cool in my life is a dad who loves his kids and a man loved by his wife

nobody's cool, put down your nose, i don't care where you bought your clothes
can't you see it's time we left high school behind
cause it's plain to see we're all just human beings


http://www.arrogants.com/songs.html

[LAU]

Hi,

I have studied at the institute for sonology,
The institute owns, among many other electronic works by various composers, the original tapes of 'Poeme electronique', Varese's first pure electronic work.
It was composed for the Philips pavilion at the Brussels World Fair of 1958.


www.sonology.org

check the history button.

Greetings, Lau.

[Reptil]

Originally Posted by LAU

Hi,

I have studied at the institute for sonology,
The institute owns, among many other electronic works by various composers, the original tapes of 'Poeme electronique', Varese's first pure electronic work.
It was composed for the Philips pavilion at the Brussels World Fair of 1958.


www.sonology.org

check the history button.

Greetings, Lau.

Hé Lau,
is dat in eindhoven waar je gestudeerd hebt?
Ik heb daar nog wat cursusjes gevolgd.
coole link..
goed te horen dat je muziekaal niet ingeslapen bent!
wat was je afstudeerrichting?