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Roland Jupiter 80 AND Access Virus Ti2???

New to this site so please forgive me if this has been covered.

I am planning to purchase a Roland Jupiter 80 within a few weeks. I can also pick up a Virus Ti2 around the same time. Will this create too much duplication or does the JP80 VA sound completely different from the Ti2? Looking for them to compliment each other, layer textures, or offer different inspiration. Is there a better compliment to the JP80 than the Virus? Prophet 12?

About me and my rig - I own a Yamaha S80 and a Korg Kronos X 88. I've owned others in the past (Triton, X3, ESQ1, DX7II, etc.). I'm not a programmer, but I like to tweak existing patches to dial things in.

I'm mostly a studio mole at home (Pro Tools), but play live occasionally when asked to. I'm not a big fan of soft synths, but I use them from time to time. It's not a sound thing, I just like having the hardware in front of me... I'm old school I guess... child of the 80's era. I play mostly radio friendly music (Rock, Pop, Country, Dance, Soundtrack, contemporary "worship").

Any advice is very much so appreciated. Music store around here just don't demo these boards.
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For the price of a Jupiter 80 you can get a mountain of used synths.
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The Kronos is a massive synth. Maybe you should focus on programming that for a while before laying out that kinda cash. Then move on to the Virus. The Virus is great for preset surfers as well as programmers but the real joy comes in creating your own sounds. Just curious, why do you want a Jupiter 80 when you've got a Kronos? For the "Supernatural" sounds?
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I would have thought the Kronos would serve the same basic purpose as Jupiter 80, whilst being the superior sounding/featured keyboard....just wondering, why did you want both?

The Virus Ti will compliment either of those.
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I should have added too that the Virus is a great buy.
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Thanks for the responses...

I'm going with the Jupiter 80 because I love the Roland sound... always have. In areas that it duplicates the Kronos it offers it's own version/tone. In many areas it's completely different. I just like the sound and layout. However, I have found Roland to sometimes sound too produced and colorful by itself. I like colorful sounds, but prefer them to be accomplished by multiple synths (It just sounds better to me that way).

I thought about picking up a few late 80s hybrid synths but prefer to stick with something modern. I'm not an analog snob, with all due respects to analog snobs everywhere. i think VA sounds great when done right, and I've heard that the Virus is one of the best at this. i just don't want something that simply overly duplicates what I'll have in the Korg/Roland combo.

What I'm looking for is something to:

- add textures in layers of other synths
- offer unique sounds to add into a mix, be it swells, pads, phrasings, etc.
- tweek existing patches easily and something that is overall fun to program

The DAW integration is nice too, but not a deal winner/breaker.

Thanks again to all of you for your advice.
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It's all subjective, and we all have different needs (etc. etc.), but for me, a Kronos + S80 + Jupiter 80 + Virus TI would be WAY too much overlap.

Let's begin with the Kronos and S80. Does the Yamaha bring something important to the table? Are there several things it does better for you than the Korg? If not, I'd think about unloading it.

In terms of what to pair with the Kronos, I know a lot of users on korgforums have either a Jupiter 80 or a Virus TI (or both), and they seem to be quite content with their setups. In particular, I think the Virus would give you a slightly darker overall timbre than the Kronos, which tends towards the bright/hi-fi sheen end of the sonic spectrum.

Nevertheless, I think you should be looking for more complementary machines. If you want to stay in the digital realm, for example, you could add a Blofeld desktop, which you could park right atop your Kronos 88. That would give you wavetabling, a type of synthesis that you don't have in your hardware setup. And for cheap!

But really (sorry to be that guy), I think you should consider adding some analog to your setup. That will definitely give you something very different from what you have now. Doesn't have to break the bank -- and for what you're thinking about spending on the Jupiter 80 and Virus TI, you could get quite a bit. Maybe start small, with a nice desktop mono (Boomstar, Dominion X, Mono Lancet, etc.) and something like a Tetra? Or perhaps a Mopho X4 keyboard?

But be warned: once you get into analog, it's a slippery (and increasingly expensive) slope!
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CfNorENa -

Thanks for the great info. The S80 is a great general purpose board, especially for that quick live set up when I only need a decent piano. It's really just hangin around because it was the last gift from my mom back in 2000. No unloading.

Thanks for the advice on the other boards. I actually looked at the Prophet 12 (not really analog) and the Prophet 08 instead of the Virus. The Virus Ti Keyboard just seemed like a much more versatile board over the DSI stuff. Plus, the only demos of the P12 on YouTube make it sound like an overly distroted throwback to a glassy sounding ESQ1, which is too bad because I had high hopes for that board. I mean, is it really that tough to demonstrate some common sounds on it before moving on? :-)

I will check out some of those suggestions you made... I really appreciate that help!!
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When I think of the Roland sound I think of the character from the analogs.

Serious question....do the modern workstations really have a Roland character? I am asking seriously, not picking an analog fight. I am willing to play around with a Jup 80 at GC to see.
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I have the Kronos, and the JP80, and Virus TI2 in my studio.

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I would say the Kronos wins out of the three as far as sheer versatility and sonic depth. Its my central keyboard. The Virus TI is an amazing synth, has a sound all its own (very different from the Kronos), and has a ton of programming depth (mod matrix is huge), and polyphony galore, so you can go very far in programming it. If you're not a programmer....its got about 8000 preset sounds you can fish through.

The JP80 is a great keyboard...but I think the least essential as compared to the Kronos and the Virus TI. If one had to let go of some of the 3...the JP80 would be the first to go....the Virus next....you'd have to pry the Kronos out of my cold dead hands.

JP80 is at its best when its either doing its super-natural thing for acoustic instruments, or even more-so when its doing its supernatural thing for classic synths. The recent Synth Legends sound-set is really pretty amazing....and to my ears sounds very warm and analog. I use it this way, as a classic (V)A emulation, more than anything else. But I have to say...programming the thing is a bit of a chore. The touch screen interface is ok, but not great for the MANY layers of the synthesis structure. The iPad editor helps...but has it's limitations.

My strong suggestion would be that you get the Virus TI first....because it will really add to your sonic arsenal. And then, if you really dig the Roland sound, and want everything the JP80 has to offer and more.....get the Integra-7 module to go along with your Kronos. Unless you REALLY need another key-bed in your setup.....the Integra-7 is VERY impressive for a lot less cash, and you will give up little to nothing. It even has the iPad editor/librarian which gives you the "touchscreen" experience of the JP80, even better. While Synth Legends is not yet, to my knowledge, released for the Integra-7....theres a strong indication that it will be. Even if its not...its the same exact synth architecture and engine....so you can program those same exact sounds. And the Kronos and Virus TI have superior arpeggiators (Karma and the TI arp) to the Jupiter 80 in my view.
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Given that you have a Kronos already I was going to recommend the same thing as RonF. Add the Virus, and later maybe an Integra-7 if you really want the SuperNatural stuff and more ROMpler sounds.
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I have the Kronos, and the JP80, and Virus TI2 in my studio.

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JP80 is at its best when its either doing its super-natural thing for acoustic instruments, or even more-so when its doing its supernatural thing for classic synths. The recent Synth Legends sound-set is really pretty amazing....and to my ears sounds very warm and analog. I use it this way, as a classic (V)A emulation, more than anything else. But I have to say...programming the thing is a bit of a chore. The touch screen interface is ok, but not great for the MANY layers of the synthesis structure. The iPad editor helps...but has it's limitations.

I just came from Guitar Center. Played around with the Jup 80 trying to give it a good try. As for now programming it sucks. As you mentioned above.

I thought the menu diving was atrocious. I don't think it's worth the money. Spent about an hour with it.


I will give it many more tries so that I can say I gave it a fair chance. After the hour I went over to the virus and was immediately inspired.
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Man, I wish any of the six guitar centers within driving distance to me had a JP 80 and/or a Virus to listen to. All they have are Motifs, Kromes, Junos, and USB controllers. It's a joke. I guess Nor Cal isn't known for music any longer.
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Man, I wish any of the six guitar centers within driving distance to me had a JP 80 and/or a Virus to listen to. All they have are Motifs, Kromes, Junos, and USB controllers. It's a joke. I guess Nor Cal isn't known for music any longer.
I was at the one at Sunset on Hollywood. Actually correction, it wasn't Guitar Center! I went across the street to Sam Ash because Guitar Center took out the Jupiter 80 and Virus from their displays.

Sam Ash had renovated and has a HUGE room of synths now. No joke!
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And just to further my suggestion that you look at an Integra-7 to fulfill your desire for the "Roland Sound" and the "Supernatural" sounds....the Synth Legends sound-set, along with multiple other supernatural sound-sets (Jupiter 8, Jup 6, and many more) have now, indeed, been released for the Integra-7.....making it truly, IMO, a remarkable deal and feature/sound-pallete...and your best choice for adding this to a Kronos and Virus TI!
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