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Hello everybody!

I need help to recreate a sound or find its source:





Its the sound in those Videos. I really love the kick because it has a soft feeling but delivers enough energy to carry the track.

What i tried so far:

Using 808 and 909 samples (also taped ones). And apply an Pitch Envelope in the first 200 ms in an sampler with different env depth. Equing thebottom end and removing some low miss. EQ with a compressor with 20-50 ms attack and gentle gain reduction, applying LP Filter (12db/24db/36/db) with an envelope to fitler the tail...

The reason why i gone this attempt is because in the frequenzy analyzer I see a "pitch " ramp.

The problem i get is that whatever i do i do not get the solid bootom end and my attack/puch/transient gets way to sharp compared to those.

I know they use Drum Machines and samples so its hard to know the excact source. Can hou help me?

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Hello everybody!

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It's not the kick, it's the entire track. Don't substitute songwriting with micro-editing and optimization. You're talking about ms and dB, but what's your songwriting like?

Then you can leave the kick to the ME who'll make it shine.
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Songwriting is no Problem but i cant find a kick that i like ...

So you mean Group mastering?
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I find this hard to believe, there's like a billion kicks out there....

Just stick to samples, download all the freebies from Gold Baby and Wave Alchemy as a start. If you can't find a suitable kick in there its not the kick thats your problem.

No Dough has nice house kicks too.


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leave the kick to the ME who'll make it shine.
What not to do!

If you really care about your kick drums you could make your life much easier by picking up Nerve at http://www.xferrecords.com
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Try these. Kick 5 would need the tail editing down.
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Thx i try the nerve demo.
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I found THESE to have some pretty good one shots if you want big and in your face "EDM" nuked style drums...
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The reason why I like this type of drum is that it is not in your face edm. I liek it because its soft warm without hurting high frequencies. and still it delivers enough punch to establish the pulse ....
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Pretty nice kick! Not as good as the non-disclosure kick drum however, which unfortunately I can't show you.
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The reason why I like this type of drum is that it is not in your face edm. I liek it because its soft warm without hurting high frequencies. and still it delivers enough punch to establish the pulse ....
OOPS. I couldn't watch the videos at the time of my post.

Anyway, if somebody asked me to design kicks with the description you just gave I would fire up one of my analogs and make it myself in just a few minutes by stacking a sine with a mid-high click and then edit, EQ, comp, limit, possibly some verb... to taste. Once you get the hang of it, it's pretty easy to make these.
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yeah,

once you get the hang of it..
And im still 'doing my time' till i get the MF hang of it (over 1,5 year, still sounds ****ed up)
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Pretty nice kick! Not as good as the non-disclosure kick drum however, which unfortunately I can't show you.
Ha love it
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yeah,

once you get the hang of it..
And im still 'doing my time' till i get the MF hang of it (over 1,5 year, still sounds ****ed up)
Well, it took me 4 or 5 years of daily trial and error grind to figure this shit out and be content with my chops.. that was the late 90's, before this forum, Youtube and all the instructional crap available today. Just get in there, get your hands dirty and do it
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hey MrToBe, I was interested to find out how they made them as well, best kick drums I've heard, so jealous, anyway I've been trying out a load of drum synths and I'm pretty sure it's the Rob Papen Punch they're using Have fun
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Layering a 909 style kick with a live kick gets quite good results, I use Drumazon to synthesise/tweak the 909 one then possibly boost around 50-80hz and audition a few hipassed live style kicks. It's sometimes the mid/high frequencies that help make them really hit.

Try lopassing the Disclosure kicks and tuning a 909 kick to that, then hipassing and finding a kick that sounds similar. Or grab Sonic Academy's Kick.
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Layering a 909 style kick with a live kick gets quite good results, I use Drumazon to synthesise/tweak the 909 one then possibly boost around 50-80hz and audition a few hipassed live style kicks. It's sometimes the mid/high frequencies that help make them really hit.
This is good advice, and is where I have struck gold several times. Find a sample with the right bottom end and peel back the first 15ms of attack with an envelope, just destroying the transient on it. It should just be soft boom at this point. Then find a nice accoustic kick with a lot of punch, and shorten the hell out of it with an envelope also. We're not going to be EQing the crap out of samples (which usually sounds like crap IME) because it is a timing thing, not a frequency thing. Fit them together like a puzzle. Its a matter of milliseconds so be patient. Then gently compress together.

Or, you just need to find the one or two special kicks in a few different sample packs and put them in your "special kicks" folder. Then don't compress it, don't EQ it, and just get everything the hell out of its way. This is usually what is going on when people PM with, "Oh man, what is that kick? Is there sub layered? How many layers, 3 or 4?" The answer is no. Just find the right sample, and let it breathe.
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