Originally Posted by Crnorizec Hrabar
Hey there, first post so i will start on topic and finish off topic :D
My opinion on the topic of todays psychedelic trance vs oldschool is that the problem is not in the gear used in the production process, but the main difference is the mindset of the todays producers.. Everyone this days is trying to follow some unwritten rules, they are too bothered by that how things sounds, how powerful the kick is, how good the production is etc.. The beauty of the psychedelic trance was that there were no rules, so you were always waiting to hear something new on the dancefloor. Not this days!! Everything sounds the same, there is absolutely no story in the psychedelic music any more..
As far the gear is concerned, in the old days they used and overused, sometimes abused the gear they had.. On contrary, todays software offers much more stability and much more options, that were hard to achieve in mid to late nineties. So if you dont have a compressor you were going to clip the input of the mackie mixer, but even if you had compressors in your arsenal you were still going to clip the mackie because you liked how it was sounding (a tip from UX). Flying rhino records had huge studio full of equipment, Process had modulars, Hux Flux made some of his first and best stuff on a tracker, so it is not the gear its the man that operates that is making good music..
I joined this forum and this discussion just to say hello to Drezz from Nervasystem, big fan here, stuff you made with Aether is epic, Seven serpents is still regularly in my sets, but as well Unknown Controllers Ep is a crazy one.. I know that you worked with Process as well..
So back on topic: for me, psychedelic music (some people call it goa trance, psy trance) is from 97 to 2001, this were the golden years of the music that i enjoy listening to, from artists like: Sean Williams - Process, Simon, Beast, Hux Flux (early stuff only), Nervasystem, Double dragon, Mino, UX, Slide and for more demanding listeners Organic Noise.. Enjoy
Off topic again:
Nice advertisment there Psychaos, is that crapy fullon psychedelic or goa trance, or oldschool retro set? Just curious.. In your post you were full of tips and insides in the scene, thanks.
Cheers, hope that i was not to boring!
Ps: grow some balls kids, and start listening and producing good music again!
Hi, Thanks for the kind words........
You brought up some great points.........It's true what you say about abusing and using the gear. In the 90s everyone was using an Atari ST1040 to sequence and a sampler and a bunch of analogue synths through a mixer with a few FX. You learnt the kit inside out, you learn how to manipulate it and abuse it, stick it through weird patches and pedals, fuzz boxes, crank the input gain and generally work it to a point where hopefully you made a sound that was different to everyone else. There was very little compression used as most psychedelic trance producers didnt even own a compressor. The first signs of homogenisation in the trance scene came with newer synths, such as the nord lead
and of course with the widespread use of digital systems and plugins.
A lot of the original producers went off and did other things after 2000 and the new school just turned a corner i guess, the music changed and styles morphed into different things.......
Now is an interesting time, a lot of the original 'goa' producers are coming back, bolstered by the 'retro' trance party scene. Its crazy, but after playing in the last few years at a few parties again for the first time in a decade, i've met with many of the well known producers from the 90s and many are starting to write the psychedelic music again. I feel like we're having a real revolution in the psychedelic electronic dance music....
@Crnorizec Hrabar: You're also right about how people write to rules, and its so easy to fall into a trap of conformity and so easy to sound like everyone else with the same DAWs and VSTs and so on.......BUT it doesnt have to be the case. The environment of the digital world of software is so mind bogglingly powerful, but if used creatively one can write spectacular music and it doesnt have to be same-ey. I'm writing a new album now and i dont think it sounds like anyone else, it sounds like me, but i do not listen to a lot of trance when i'm writing, and thats on purpose in a way to avoid copying anyone else.
Like i said before, it comes from the person, the dedication and the ideas. One thing about the old tunes is they told a story and were psychedelic in the respect that they took you on a journey, i think this is why they have endured and found a classic status. I dont really hear this with a lot of the new trance music.
Anyway, watch the old school crew, we're coming back and just like last time it's going to do the business.........