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So, has anyone been able to use it ?
It doesn't even show up in Live 9.. and according to the manual, it's not even supposed to work in Live without being wrapped in FXPansion VST-AU , wich is quite strange since that Live can use VST and AU ...

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Application
Version tested

Results
AudioHijack Pro
v2.10.6
works

Plogue Bidule
v0.9728, v0.9730
works

Logic
v9.1.8/32bit, via FXpansion's VST/AU wrapper 2.0
works but UI has redraw problems

Ugly VSTi
0.4
works, but you need to set "Signal Vector Size" to 128+

Live
v8.2.1/32bit, via FXpansion's VST/AU wrapper 2.0
works

Live
v8.2.1/32bit
does not work ø
What gives ?
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this update is just to make it work on intel macs.
it's still vst 2.1 - most daw's only do vst 2.4 by now.
so you need to find a program that can still handle vst 2.1 ...
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Anyone know if it might be possible run this in an old Logic running in a VMWare virtual machine? Just to play with it (and sample it who knows :P)
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i remember lusting after a neuron 10 years ago, i hope i can get this work.
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Thanks for hosting, Look forward to seeing if I can get it to work. If anyone has any Logic 9 tips that will be great.

What is the database d/l, sounds and support docs, etc ?

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AWESOME

thanks for the link ofki !1
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here's the steps i followed to load it into logic:

1) download neuron vs from here:
NeuronVS Project

2) get the database from ofki here (it will download much faster):
Hartmann Neuron VS - Free

3) RTFM and try it with audio hijack pro (free demo, sadly i was experiencing a lot of lag/latency but it worked)

- note: its a vst (not an audio unit for logic) so if you want to use it in logic you need a wrapper. also, its a vst version 2.1 or something (not the latest 2.4) so it won't work in newer DAW software like ableton live without a wrapper

4) download a vst to au wrapper like this one (free):
VSTAU Manager (VST to AU Adapter) VSTAU_Manager-0.2rc2.app.zip

5) ?????????

6) profit :grin:


Screen Shot 2013-05-28 at 11.11.04 PM by greg_war, on Flickr

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yes, sadly its mac only. there's a facebook group which is kind of driving this whole project where you will find helpful downloads (the closest thing to a working pc plug-in version and tips on building a neuron 'rack').

i found a copy of model maker there for mac os 9 (hey another use for my mac g4). model maker allows you to import your own .wav or .aiff samples into the resynthesis of neuron. without it you're restricted to the content in the database, commercial add-ons, etc.


neuron vs by greg_war, on Flickr

also, you can't move the 2 huge circles in the gui with the mouse (you're supposed to use the hartmann nuke controller). in logic you click 'view' on the plug-ins top left and hit controls. from there you can move around the x/y position of the circles. if you hit command+L you can assign a midi controller/knob to them.

once i get the mac g4/oasys pci project going again i'll try to install model maker and import my own sounds into the neuron. neural, bro

*edit: since the controls are midi-mappable its not inconceivable that an ipad template for lemur, osc or whatevs could be made
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thx gregwar! can you give some info about the cpu usage?
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4) download a vst to au wrapper like this one (free):
VSTAU Manager (VST to AU Adapter) VSTAU_Manager-0.2rc2.app.zip
mmm.. I'm using the same wrapper, and the gui doesn't show up in Logic.. It plays, but no access to the gui ( it's blank ) , just the controls...

EDIT : In fact, i can't get the GUI to show up anywhere at all, either directly in VST or as AU under that wrapper. So far I tried in Logic 9 (AU), Live 8 (VST+AU), Live 9 (VST+AU), Studio One (VST+AU), and NI Maschine (VST+AU )
Maybe it doesn't like OSX 10.8
Oh well... I give up for now..
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Will the VST plugin work on Mac OS 9? Or is it better to use a wrapper on an intel mac?
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I'm gonna try this with renoise in 32-bit mode later.
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In fact, i can't get the GUI to show up anywhere at all, either directly in VST or as AU under that wrapper.
That *used to* mean you didn't have the hardware controller plugged in via usb. I understand this version is supposed to operate without the hardware controller....but????
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mmm.. I'm using the same wrapper, and the gui doesn't show up in Logic.. It plays, but no access to the gui ( it's blank ) , just the controls...

EDIT : In fact, i can't get the GUI to show up anywhere at all, either directly in VST or as AU under that wrapper. So far I tried in Logic 9 (AU), Live 8 (VST+AU), Live 9 (VST+AU), Studio One (VST+AU), and NI Maschine (VST+AU )
Maybe it doesn't like OSX 10.8
Oh well... I give up for now..
ya at first I went straight into the wrapper, tried it in logic 64 bit and was getting gui problems, CPU spikes, and nasty distortion.

so first thing I did was test the 'unwrapped' version in audio hijack (to determine if it was the wrapper or not), wiped out all my 'wrappers' and tried to re-wrap it.

for the wrapper to work I had to reset the permissions of my vst and component (au) folders, which is written in the neuron manual

then I loaded it into logic 32 bit and it worked, saved the project, then re-opened the project in logic 64 bit.

now that it's working ok the CPU usage seems pretty low but I'm on a quad core i7 with 16g ram (Mac mini mid 2012).
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I just got this running in live9 using the fxpansion vst to au wrapper. I couldn't find it in my list of devices but when I typed neuron in the search window it came up. I also midi mapped the spheres to various xy controllers I have laying around. Now I just gotta rtfm and figure this thing out.
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I haven't installed it yet, but I'll check if it works well in bidule in logic tomorrow. Hopefully should be able to map it to a joystick control.

edit: works fine in bidule, in logic.
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I used the free vst wrapper, I can use it with audio hijack and sending to the IAC bus from Live 9.
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It works with FXpansion VST to RTAS wrapper in Pro Tools 10.
However the sounds are coming mostly from the right speaker, should not behave that way, I´ve got the real Nuke as well.
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could someone upload the modelmaker software and templates from the facebook page? I don't have an account.
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