Lightweight AU/VST sampler for Maschine (mac)
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Lightweight AU/VST sampler for Maschine (mac)

The thing I miss most in Maschine is velocity layers and round robin.
It's possible to use it with Battery or Kontakt but when using the pads in Keyboard mode, a lot of Maschine's functionality is lost.

So I'm looking for a lightweight ( mainly in CPU sense ), easy to use sampler that I can use one instance of per pad and that supports velocity layers and round robin at the minimum.
I've used Kontakt in the past for this task but it's not exactly lightweight nor easy to use.

Many thanks !
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No one ? There must be a better way than launching 16 instances of Kontakt...
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Yeah it's silly isn't it ?
But we can thank NI for giving Maschine the most crippled sampler ever.
It's good for chopping up loops though but that's about it.
I do really like Maschine though, even with this flaw.
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I cant believe maschine doesnt even do velocity layers...round robin is a bit more specialist but even then Id make it mandatory for drum machines...

tbh Im not sure what you want exists...I know BPM does round robin with the advantage of as many layers as you want...Geist might do....Battery 4?

Can you just use a pad layer of 8 or 16 pads and sequence it as a pseudo round robin?
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Yeah Battery is good and I use it as well within Maschine
But it's not really optimised for playing a single pad.

So the choice is between loading one instance by pad which is a bit of a pain and a waste of resources, or to load one instance on 1 pad and configure it in "Keyboard mod" ie a single "sound" becomes chromatic on the 16 pads but then you need to spend time mapping the sounds inside Battery to the correct midi notes ( you can only change the starting point in Maschine then the others follow chromatically ).
The above will only make sense if you own Maschine btw, it's quite a convoluted approach
And if you do that, the step sequencer of Maschine doesn't work, you can't apply effects to notes individually etc etc basically half the functionality is lost.

Geist looks good too but I think the issues would be similar unless Maschine was used as a midi controller only, and then again most of the goodness is lost.
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Arturia Spark has a bunch of different options for this. It's not a sampler, but you can use your own samples and put them on the different layers and then choose how they will be played via velocity. Round robin is just one of the many options it has.
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Thanks rids, yeah I saw that the other day after that thread on the Spark.
I nearly bought the SparkLE but then I thought hey, if I could just sort out this sampling issue then I'd be all sorted with just Maschine, so I should exhaust that avenue before taking the plunge.
The Spark LE looks great and is pretty cheap, but it's also more space taken on the desk, more stuff to remember how to operate etc so I'm trying to be reasonably un-Gearslutty for once
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Geist is the answer to all your problems.
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I've looked everywhere for a lightweight sampler similar to Simpler or FL Studio's default sampler for years and I have yet to find something good, you best bet is to use Battery or similar

Battery is pretty light weight btw and v4 looks quite good and is more focused on the samples themselves rather than the cell library, the waveform display is much bigger and can always been seen no matter that post processing inside of Battery you're doing
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Thanks rids, yeah I saw that the other day after that thread on the Spark.
I nearly bought the SparkLE but then I thought hey, if I could just sort out this sampling issue then I'd be all sorted with just Maschine, so I should exhaust that avenue before taking the plunge.
The Spark LE looks great and is pretty cheap, but it's also more space taken on the desk, more stuff to remember how to operate etc so I'm trying to be reasonably un-Gearslutty for once
Im slowly transferring my maschine kits to the Spark format....once Im finished in 2025 Ill prolly sell maschine as a vintage piece
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Maschine definitely does velocity layers.

I haven't tried out battery 4 yet but I thought battery 3 was one of the simplest samplers out there and I use either that or hand-rolled reaktor ensembles (talk about a waste of resources) to do round-robin/random triggering.

I'm not sure why you think some other program is going to be much lighter than battery. Battery doesn't really use that many resources unless you turn on a bunch of effects.

The real problem with maschine and vst's is there is no linking multiple pads and vst's so there is no way to use a couple pads with just one vst. So you can't do something simple like have a choke groups on your round-robin high hats without having to go into pad mode which gets rid of a lot of the fun.
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Maschine definitely does velocity layers.
You can only load one sample per pad.

Thanks for all the advice everyone though, it sounds like I will just have to suck it up and use Battery. And yeah it doesn't seem to use that much resources, it's more that I don't find the workflow all that great when used like this.
I wish NI had made more of an effort to properly integrate it with Maschine !

Edit : You're right about choke groups though, and that sucks :/
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Thanks rids, yeah I saw that the other day after that thread on the Spark.
I nearly bought the SparkLE but then I thought hey, if I could just sort out this sampling issue then I'd be all sorted with just Maschine, so I should exhaust that avenue before taking the plunge.
The Spark LE looks great and is pretty cheap, but it's also more space taken on the desk, more stuff to remember how to operate etc so I'm trying to be reasonably un-Gearslutty for once
I know what you mean. I try to consolidate my tools also. Too much and it starts to detract from my workflow. After I bought Spark LE, I realized Arturia made exactly what I wanted. So much so, I'm thinking about selling Maschine. I'm using some of the Maschine samples in tracks, so I need to bring them over to Spark before I can sell it. The Spark LE controller is half the size of Maschine and much easier to transport. I thought the same thing as you when Spark came out and figured Maschine had more going for it and the Spark X0X buttons were at the top (when I like them at the bottom). But the the LE controller came out and I started to realize that Spark LE gave me the workflow I've been wanting for a long time. Oh and it's dead simple to use. Nothing to learn really. I plugged it in the first day and was using it immediately. I followed that with a browse through the short manual to see if there was anything I was overlooking and learned the rest like how the layers are setup. It was the best move I've made in a while.
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So the consensus here is Spark > Maschine ? That's odd...

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One thing to be said, is that it's not about how many features and tricks it can do, it's about the workflow and quality, which I think both have quality, but Spark has the workflow that I want. I never wanted a DAW in Maschine (but was coerced as Maschine being one of the only options for hardware/software drumming). I wanted a drum machine like Spark.

As long as Arturia keep updating Spark like they are doing a good job of now, then it will remain one of the best options for hardware/software drum machines.
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Short-circuit is free and does velocity layers (and probably round robin, can't recall.)
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So the consensus here is Spark > Maschine ? That's odd...

not really

i think its better for building your own kits....but it doesnt have the quality or quantity of maschines kits, and you couldnt build an entire track in it (not that I want to)...the instrument side is very rudimentary

but for my own drums, yup I prefer it
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Maschine definitely does velocity layers.

i think you have to manually change the velocity of every sample on each pad...thats a workaround as I dont think its an actual implemented feature, though I could be wrong..Ive never tried it, looks way too tedious...and even in Spark, although its simple to set up I dont think its great...I use it for round robin, and for this its brilliant
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What the hell? Why were people shooting noise at me saying Mashine kills the MPC and all kinds of corny hype when it can't do this! Don't get me wrong, I like both.

Anyway...EXS24 in Logic? Or maybe even Mainstage?
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You can only load one sample per pad.
False. You can layer up to 128 samples per pad in Maschine. There's an Add button to layer multiple samples to the same pad when you're browsing samples:

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False. You can layer up to 128 samples per pad in Maschine. There's an Add button to layer multiple samples to the same pad when you're browsing samples:

so you CAN round robin then?
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You can adjust velocity layers of multiple samples on the same pad: Layering sounds on maschine made easy - YouTube
I think thats what i was trying to say

If you wanted each sampled to be triggered at a separate velocity you would have to enter this per layer?


Like i said i havent bothered with it as i dont use velocity layers on either...
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so you CAN round robin then?
You can do velocity layer switching. It doesn't do random/cycling through samples.
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You can adjust velocity layers of multiple samples on the same pad: Layering sounds on maschine made easy - YouTube
Wow, don't know how I missed that for so long, thanks posting this!
And I did read the manual and watched my fair share of tuts
It still seems to fall quite short of the proper stuff ( no crossfade !? ), but is definitely better than nothing, I'll give it a try.
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Arturia Spark has a bunch of different options for this. It's not a sampler, but you can use your own samples and put them on the different layers and then choose how they will be played via velocity. Round robin is just one of the many options it has.
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