Moogy Moogy Moogy...
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16th March 2013
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Moogy Moogy Moogy...

I've never owned a hardware Moog, but I'm obsessed with that sound. I'm also however about technology and progression and so I ask the following question to anyone who's ever owned a Moog... is IK Multimedia's SampleMoog (they actually collaborated with Moog Music on this btw so its official) as good as owning a real Moog???? I mean... in terms of the sounds are they the same as n the Moogs or way off?
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no its like a photocopy of a moog. It wont fully capture the depth of analogue sound because it does not have round robin layers and its samples will be stretched.
It sounds cool if you need a bunch of 'moog like' sounds - to add to otherwise a collection. If you are looking for an instrument you can use to create your own music with and mould to your desires - its not that. Its a bunch of presets with some editing ability per preset.

I started out buying sample collections to try to save money and ultimately it was a waste of time and money - I realised I had to buy the instruments. If you want to make your own music you need an instrument. If you need a few moog sounds now and then - a sample library is fine.

We actually live in an era of reasonably affordable Moog - unless you desire vintage - even then you have a MG1 and Rogue on a budget which both have the Moogy vibe...
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I've never owned a hardware Moog, but I'm obsessed with that sound. I'm also however about technology and progression and so I ask the following question to anyone who's ever owned a Moog... is IK Multimedia's SampleMoog (they actually collaborated with Moog Music on this btw so its official) as good as owning a real Moog???? I mean... in terms of the sounds are they the same as n the Moogs or way off?
Software will NEVER emulate analog successfully. Juts like CGI graphics will never replace actors. A dimension is missing even if another is added.
I have never been such a fan of Moog that I will spend so much $$ for a particular sound, but the SubPhatty looks promising!
As far as the sound being off, you have to compare it yourself. And if it is off, is it so off you need to spend the cash.
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You can download U-He Diva and see if that scratches your Moog itch; it seems to for a lot of people. Demo limitation is just some added static every now and then.
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If you really want moog sound then in the end there's probably not a substitute other than an actual moog. It's a matter of personal preference if an emulation will suffice. For me it didnt. LP/SP should drop in price with the sub coming out.
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You can download U-He Diva and see if that scratches your Moog itch; it seems to for a lot of people. Demo limitation is just some added static every now and then.
Yes, try the Diva first - after hearing a hardware Moog in your studio the Diva won't satisfy you.
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Get an old Moog! Trust me, the new ones sound different in a way I was not fond of, the resonance is really lacking depth and "sweet spots" in the newer models, however... they seemed to have addressed this slightly in the Sub Phatty from what I've heard from sound examples. It sounds like you would like more computer integration, so go new.
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Get an old Moog! Trust me, the new ones sound different in a way I was not fond of, the resonance is really lacking depth and "sweet spots" in the newer models, however... they seemed to have addressed this slightly in the Sub Phatty from what I've heard from sound examples. It sounds like you would like more computer integration, so go new.
The old ones are also ticking time bombs that may stop working at any moment, and end up being a total waste of money, lol. For the OP, if you ever decide to invest in a hardware moog, definitely get a new one.

I agree the old ones sound better to me too, just not worth the risk, imo. Plus, aside from the Model D, I think the new moogs actually sound better than the old budget moogs when it comes to bass. Lead sounds, I prefer the old moogs, even the budget ones. But its not enough to justify the risk involved, especially when buying from shady ebayers. (Unless you can afford to take the risk, of course) But to the OP, if you're buying your first hardware analog synth, I'd suggest getting something new thats going to last a long time with no issues.
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The old ones are also ticking time bombs that may stop working at any moment, and end up being a total waste of money, lol. For the OP, if you ever decide to invest in a hardware moog, definitely get a new one.

I agree the old ones sound better to me too, just not worth the risk, imo. Plus, aside from the Model D, I think the new moogs actually sound better than the old budget moogs when it comes to bass. Lead sounds, I prefer the old moogs, even the budget ones. But its not enough to justify the risk involved, especially when buying from shady ebayers. (Unless you can afford to take the risk, of course) But to the OP, if you're buying your first hardware analog synth, I'd suggest getting something new thats going to last a long time with no issues.

Not to battle between new Moog vs old Moog vs soft Moog sound but to elaborate on your assumption...

At least an old Moog is a repairable time bomb...whereas any new Moog you buy is dependent on surface mount technology and chips. Any repairs will be pretty expensive and need to see a specialist...likely Moog, as long as they are around...but who knows where they will be in the future, and if the parts will be available...especially since there is quite a bit more computer inside modern Moogs than vintage ones.. Most vintage Moogs are old enough that if they are still in service today they will have seen a technician in relatively recent history and parts are still available. Buying something new does not necessarily guarantee a long lifespan with no issues...especially since the modern Moogs are made to a much lower price point (inflation accounted for) and are not made to the same standard.

As far as investing in a hardware Moog...a vintage Moog will always appreciate in value, whereas the modern ones depreciate...if that is a determining factor...
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The old ones are also ticking time bombs
you are aware that if an old moog was a time bomb it would explode and blow you to pieces?

That is a bit of an exaggeration against reality. I have a vintage moog source and its tone is beautiful. Its been to the shop once in its 4 year life. There are pros and cons to new and old but its up to the individual how they feel about it.

I personally dont hear too much I like with the new moog sound - so Im prepared to put up with the occasional visit to the menders.

Aside from the sound - a poster above me has also made some good points about practicalities. So its Pros and cons...
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17th March 2013
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The idiosyncratic statements that the old Moogs sound "better" than the new ones is

meaningless to me. "Better" is, of course, completely subjective. Are the old ones

"grittier" and "dirtier". I would imagine yes, they are, after all, about 30 years older

on the average. I can say I owned and played extensively a Moog Source which replaced

my Arp Odyssey and now I have a Voyager. They were all great and the Voyager is

hands down the best as far as I'm concerned. I have heard all sorts of software

emulations and nothing is quite as great as a real live Moog. They are wonderful

instruments. And that is the point, they are instruments, beautiful instruments and

if you love the Moog sound, get the real thing and get a new one. Plus now there are

three flavors, Voyager, Lil Phatty and Sub Phatty. I say get a new Moog. I would also

add that the customer service is great too. It is very much worth the money to have

such an instrument.
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Not saying one is better than the other, just different options but I own a slim phatty, Mg1 and moog prodigy. The slim phatty definitely sounds different from the other two. More of a modern moog sound. So ask yourself do you want vintage or modern in the sound.
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So ask yourself do you want vintage or modern in the sound.
thats basically it at the end of the day. Modern moog sound perhaps more modern styles of music - vintage moog sound maybe suits more retro tinged music. The advantages of the new moog are alluring I have to admit. shame they didnt include noise in the LP/SP!
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I've never owned a hardware Moog, but I'm obsessed with that sound. I'm also however about technology and progression and so I ask the following question to anyone who's ever owned a Moog... is IK Multimedia's SampleMoog (they actually collaborated with Moog Music on this btw so its official) as good as owning a real Moog???? I mean... in terms of the sounds are they the same as n the Moogs or way off?
I own A Mini Moog model D and it does have a different sound for sure.
Good programming and some effects will help make your synth sound a bit better but I think the Sub Phatty to my ears would come closer to a model D than anything else I have heard and for the money it makes it have more appeal.I wish it had a longer keyboard though,my only complaint so far and aren't we picky....Why not really, sometimes the developers listen....
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My first analog synth ever was an MG-1, which I had so much fun with for a couple of years before it died on me. That was like eight years ago. Not too long ago, I tried to fill that Moog void with a Slim Phatty. The void was not filled. I wasn't a big fan of the more modern sound at all, and playing with that interface was not gratifying. I was pretty bummed out by how disappointing the experience was.

From the demos, the Sub Phatty sounds fairly similar to the Slim. Maybe because of all of those terrible Dubstep-y grinding sounds they keep on highlighting. I loved running drums and other stuff through the Slim's filter, but really did not like what it did for its own sound, and it sounds like they're trying to push that sound even further with the Sub. Not my cup of tea. But like I said, I'd still try it out. I'm just wary after my experience with the Slim.

Now if Moog pulled a Korg move by doing a reissue of one of their older designs, I would be all over that. But what Moog is doing these days just doesn't do much for me like their classics do.
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This whole debate of what sounds better blah blah is annoying? Is a LP less inspiring than a model D? If so sell your modern Moog and get the real, real thing. Otherwise if you don't want to spend 3k on a monophonic "time bomb" then present day Moog had you covered at slightly less nostalgia but yet far more than some emulation
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I've never owned a hardware Moog, but I'm obsessed with that sound.
Buy one. New ones secondhand so you don't lose too much cash, anything you have to spend is cheap if you consider it to be rent.

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I'm also however about technology and progression and so I ask the following question to anyone who's ever owned a Moog... is IK Multimedia's SampleMoog (they actually collaborated with Moog Music on this btw so its official) as good as owning a real Moog????
If you're about technology and progression you wouldn't be asking this about a plugin that was released in August 2008, you'd go for something newer than that!

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I mean... in terms of the sounds are they the same as n the Moogs or way off?
Alternatives in order of preference:

- don't pick an alternative, buy a Sub Phatty
- buy a plugin that models it accurately (U-He Diva) if you want to keep it ITB
- buy an inspired-by machine if you want OTB (Studio Electronics SE1x)

Sample libraries are last in that list. The filter's never right, sampling means no free-running oscillators. I trust Kontakt for a lot of things, but emulating the mixer section and its side-effects, not really.

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Software will NEVER emulate analog successfully.
https://soundcloud.com/yoozer/minimoog-vs-diva-plain-sawlead
https://soundcloud.com/yoozer/minimoog-vs-diva-square-bass-2
https://soundcloud.com/yoozer/moog-minimoog-vs-u-he-diva

These demos say that you're wrong.

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Juts like CGI graphics will never replace actors.
No problem with backgrounds, though.



To get back to an important point the topicstarter made, however:
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I've never owned a hardware Moog, but I'm obsessed with that sound.
The reason you should buy one is because there's no such product on the market that can make you believe that you're actually playing the Moog you're obsessed with.

No matter what you try, software or hardware; if the unit doesn't say Moog on it and has Moog-style knobs and came in a box that said MOOG in giant lettering, it's quite impossible to convince yourself that you're actually playing a Moog. That is what leads to misery, and trying every alternative under the sun, and ultimately spending more money in the long run. Been there, done that, should've gotten a t-shirt but didn't.

One thing though - not all Moogs are created equal. As noted, there's modern and there's classic, and even classic has several variations. Find out exactly what you want first.

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Get down to you local music store speak to them and get a demo setup.

I assure you will leave with a 3d REAL Moog rather than software, if you have the money.

Personally I like nostalgia, but like classic cars, they are high maintenance and time consuming when things go pair shaped. I am sure i will be boo'd a heathen for saying that.

Anyway i digress...demo and you will see. Incidentally whilst I love DIVA, until you get analog valves in a pc, vst will be exactly what they state they are; Models! After years of plugins I prefer a good hard 3 dimensional piece of kit to et my hands on. You cant beat the real thing
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Never really thought much about Moogs until about a year ago. No idea why, maybe I just thought that they were out of my price range. Then I got myself a Minitaur. I know the Taurus sound is different to the Model D (and co) sound, but it really struck me how musical the thing is. The quality of the sound is amazing. It's really alive. My only analog synth up until that point was a Waldorf Pulse which has way more options. I love my Pulse. It showed me the ropes with synthesizers, and you really appreciate how much they cram into these synths when you start looking at the generally much less capable Moogs, but the sound! Can software get you there? Depends on how close you need to get I suppose. Can you get close enough so that most people won't notice the difference in a mix? Of course, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. For me I just like instruments though. They're alive and if aliens ever tune in, I bet they will be able to hear the difference. Whatever you do, try not to get too gear obsessed though. It's all about the music, not about what you make it with.

Suffice to say I will be getting another Moog in the future. Although, I've just discovered the Roland sound too...
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