Looking for DAW controller

[mandioca]

i have 1 novation zero sl mkII just for the DAW and works great. the workflow improved a lot.

[Grovestand]

Originally Posted by Fckthwrld

Hey!

As I mentioned in another thread i bought my first DAW - the Ableton Live 8 Suite. As this is my first DAW i want to buy Hardwarecontroller for it.

I wanna have a really minimalistic desc, with a small midikeyboard and a DAW Controller only. I want to use my controller in the studio, to change parameters of instruments, "program sounds" in vst instruments and fine tuning, hava start/stop/rewind button.

I dont want to controll only Ableton instruments with it.

Is "Push" the way i should go, or what would you recommend?

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Fckthwrld

I think that you should wait for Push, but I did pick up an sl zero mk 1 for under $100. If you can find one cheap I think that you will be happy with it for a while.

Though if you want a midi controller on your desk I would get an SL with keys built in. Faders feel cheap knobs are pretty good.

[Neant]

I do think going for push is a good idea as far as versatility and performance is concerned.
The SL is also a good thought but personally I think I would take BCR2000 and the fader one over it. They are a very good addition and pretty unbeatable imo at the price, even if they look like shit ().

[Fckthwrld]

Thank you three!

Do you think i will be able to controll every parameter on push as easy as with an sl zero mk 1 or 2?

[ecologie]

I have a Livid CNTRLR and love it.

I found the Novation Zero (which i also have) to be really small and rigid. Plasticy as well.

The Livid stuff is amazing IMO. highly configurable and better feedback visually with whats going on on screen.

[chevybusa]

FOA what is your budget? Depending on that I think you might want to check out the dedicated controllers for Ableton Live first and foremost, as I'd assume they are optimal for it, however I would also reccomend checking out getting a used Behringer BCR2000, 32 assignable knobs, 8 assignable buttons and dedicated transport controls...

Also you mentioned a mini keyboard, how many keys do you want?

[Tuesday Knight]

Originally Posted by Neant

I do think going for push is a good idea as far as versatility and performance is concerned.
The SL is also a good thought but personally I think I would take BCR2000 and the fader one over it. They are a very good addition and pretty unbeatable imo at the price, even if they look like shit ().

Have you seen how push works? lmao.

[Fckthwrld]

well - i dont like budgets. as i said i want to have a really minimalistic workingplace, with 2 or 3 controllers. i really want to know my gear, and i hate it when there are to many controllers around. i dont want to buy shitty controllers, if they are expensive i will wait till i have the money.

i already got an 49 keys keyboard, but for most things its to large. something smaller would be okay. would you recommend to buy a mix of a controller/keyboard thing, or isnt this really working?

again what i want:
-control instrument parameters, so i can do sound design in a natural way
-control the mixer
-transport
-arrengement view

i dont need a controller for launching clips only, like the apc20. push looks interesting, but i dont know if this is what i need as beginner... or if it can do what i want.

thank you for helping.

[mandioca]

like i said above, check the Novation SL series. there's a few nice controllers.
i have the 37SL to control the softsynths, everything assigned like i want, and i also have the Novation Zero MKII just for the DAW. it's for assigning everything i want but just in the DAW.

hope that helps.

[Grovestand]

Novation DOES feel cheap.
The reason to get it over the BCR (or in addition to the BCF) is the auto mapping LCD screens.
They aren't perfect, but having labeled parameters is way more like having a traditional synth then an unmarked field of faders and knobs.

[sniggles]

I'm guessing Nektar's P Series will eventually support Live. I'm not sure of how full of control you get, IE controlling the LCD on the controller, without their VST and scripting specifically for the DAW.

[chevybusa]

Originally Posted by Fckthwrld

well - i dont like budgets. as i said i want to have a really minimalistic workingplace, with 2 or 3 controllers. i really want to know my gear, and i hate it when there are to many controllers around. i dont want to buy shitty controllers, if they are expensive i will wait till i have the money.

i already got an 49 keys keyboard, but for most things its to large. something smaller would be okay. would you recommend to buy a mix of a controller/keyboard thing, or isnt this really working?

again what i want:
-control instrument parameters, so i can do sound design in a natural way
-control the mixer
-transport
-arrengement view

i dont need a controller for launching clips only, like the apc20. push looks interesting, but i dont know if this is what i need as beginner... or if it can do what i want.

thank you for helping.

Right on man! I totally understand, unfortunately TBH I am really not up on the new all in one controllers as I have always needed 88 weighted keys with AT...sorry I can't be of more help, but I would definitely check out and research what others have posted as I'm sure there are people here that have experience with the new gen of all in one small controllers. Good luck!

[Neant]

Originally Posted by Tuesday Knight

Have you seen how push works? lmao.

And your point is?

Nektar states that Panorama already has Live support already on their website.

As for the LCD's on SL's - do consider that point. I could go for BCR2000 and use it without a problem as I usually don't really need to see what which knob is doing after some time but I understand that for many people it's much easier to just have the parameters laid out on a screen.
(I'm not saying it wouldn't be easier for me aswell but I prefer the 32 encoders and cheap price, I can do with paper layouts when I need them )