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Searching For Software For Making Aphex Twin Beats

My question is the following:

If I want to make beats like the following musicvideos show, as a example, what software or plugin should I use? is there even a software for drum-machine emulation beside the tb roland series which I absolutly don´t like at all?

I want complex abstract beats and maximum control over all beats and it should sound like this here:

Aphex Twin - Flim - YouTube

APHEX TWIN - WABBY LEGS - YouTube

So what software can make such beats? "Reaktor" from NI and "Punch" from Rob Papen sound not like this. Thats for sure.

So what software makes it possible to produce such beats?
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I don't know if you are tolling or you are simply not aware that Aphex twin uses ummm

EVERYTHING.

Stay away from software by the way.
Buy 1 - 3 synths and master them.

I really don't like NI synths maybe except for Massive.

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I don't know if you are tolling or you are simply not aware that Aphex twin uses ummm

EVERYTHING.
The question was not what he uses. The question was how can you make beats like that. And trolling? This is the first time that I read here on this forum that people get called a troll for asking a serious question.

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Stay away from software by the way.
Buy 1 - 3 synths and master them.
With what money? Who is able to buy 2 or 3 synthesizers, just like that? People have just a little bit money, if they got at all money. So software is always a better choice if you are not in the position to buy something expansive like a synthesizer.

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I really don't like NI synths maybe except for Massive.
I still don´t know why you say that you don´t like NI synths except for the Massive synth. What you said is totally unimportant and wrong if you read the title of this topic.
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My question is the following:

If I want to make beats like the following musicvideos show, as a example, what software or plugin should I use? is there even a software for drum-machine emulation beside the tb roland series which I absolutly don´t like at all?

I want complex abstract beats and maximum control over all beats and it should sound like this here:

Aphex Twin - Flim - YouTube

APHEX TWIN - WABBY LEGS - YouTube

So what software can make such beats? "Reaktor" from NI and "Punch" from Rob Papen sound not like this. Thats for sure.

So what software makes it possible to produce such beats?
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Any DAW and sampler will do a trick.

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Talent will probably do wonders.

Richards musicianship is pretty close to genius levels. No software or hardware can emulate that.
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My question is the following:

If I want to make beats like the following musicvideos show, as a example, what software or plugin should I use?
This is your question:



"So, if I wanted to make this, what kind of brushes would I need?"

You're asking the wrong question - but you're not alone in asking the wrong question.

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is there even a software for drum-machine emulation beside the tb roland series which I absolutly don´t like at all?
All of those drums in Flim sound sampled.

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I want complex abstract beats and maximum control over all beats and it should sound like this here:
Then cut up breakbeats in their separate components and start re-arranging them.

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With what money?
If you don't have any money, what you should do is really simple: work really hard and try to find bargains. So if what you have can't do X, Y or Z, find ways to make this so. Software that reshuffles the beats is so common - but won't give you full control, and more importantly, won't think; won't know what your intent is, so each result is going to sound so-so because the software (or hardware for that matter) doesn't know the direction you want to go into.

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So what software can make such beats? "Reaktor" from NI and "Punch" from Rob Papen sound not like this. Thats for sure.
Then you're not using them right.

It's the cook, not the kitchen.

A bad craftsman blames his tools.

You will never find the answer you really want to your original question, because the premise is wrong.

If you cannot accept that your question starts off on the wrong basis, it is pointless to argue further. If you do accept, then we can tell you what the right question to ask is.
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Think you guys have made your point.

OP try the plugins i mentioned, they do crazy things to whatever you feed them

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lol at this thread


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With what money? Who is able to buy 2 or 3 synthesizers, just like that? People have just a little bit money, if they got at all money. So software is always a better choice if you are not in the position to buy something expansive like a synthesizer.
And you are right. Don't put yourself in some sort of financial debt just to submit to the hype and clueless snobishness that sometimes pertains this forum. If you're a beginner ( wich i guess you are ) , there are plenty of very good and cheap or free software that can you can learn on and produce very good results. Later on, you can try various software/hardware setups and combinations.

Allow PLENTY of time for learning ( plenty as in months/years ). Having the same piano as Glenn Gould won't make you suddenly play as good as him. Same thing with electronic tools, hardware or software.
Your best bet is probably Reaktor for that type of beat mangling. And no, it will not make them instantly for you.
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With what money? Who is able to buy 2 or 3 synthesizers, just like that? People have just a little bit money, if they got at all money. So software is always a better choice if you are not in the position to buy something expansive like a synthesizer.
This is GS, where the answer is always more and more gear. This is the place where when someone asks how to get a sound used on an underground 80s House record that was produced on a budget of about $12, the answer involves massive arrays of high-end vintage equipment, racks and racks of elaborate signal processing, and not "whatever synth the artist could have obtained at the time for $100, put through a crappy 16-channel mixer and recorded to cheap tape".
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I've found it again.

On another forum, a user took the effort to push this out of an MT-32, with help from a Tascam Porta-studio - see attachment.

Then there's this video, which is pretty telling:



(starts at 1:25)

So this is how it was done back then; which is sitting in front of an old sampler with a tiny amount of memory and no audio tracks. As a consequence, this means that you have to chop up your beats in pieces because that takes far less space than putting in several glitched variations of complete beats. You also see that there's no DAW or even a MIDI sequencer there to speak of; chances are that the 707 acts as a kind of sequencer where you program your patterns, because it just puts out MIDI notes, and instead of say, toms, you trigger small rolls and fills. You pitch the samples up or down to get the desired tempo.

The whole 16-step (or rather, 64-step) thing is also what's common for trackers - a tracker is nothing but a sampler with a sequencer, and it's very conducive to controlled slicing/triggering of samples in ways that regular glitch plugins can't.

Trackers still exist: Home | Renoise is one of 'm. But - you'll have to constrain yourself to the options that were available back then.

The gear shapes the music to a certain extent, and by asking for a plugin you basically ignore everything that caused a good part of the music to sound like it does.

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tom was using a dr 660 to sequence back then and recording ti a 1/4 tascam 8 trk
he had some cool ass gear
and imho his best tunes were made with the same set up in the video
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This is GS, where the answer is always more and more gear. This is the place where when someone asks how to get a sound used on an underground 80s House record that was produced on a budget of about $12, the answer involves massive arrays of high-end vintage equipment, racks and racks of elaborate signal processing, and not "whatever synth the artist could have obtained at the time for $100, put through a crappy 16-channel mixer and recorded to cheap tape".
Except all those posts that insist that cheap mackie mixers are the sound of 90's house :confused:

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This isn't the answer you want and is similar to what other posters already said but...

Whatever hard or software you use will not help you get closer to Aphex Twin level of drum programming. Any sequencer (hard or soft) will get you as close as any other because its about feel and composition.

If you want to make beats that sound like that, program them. Take the time to hear the subtleties and recreate them. What you program them in or on just doesn't doesn't matter.

Delay and granular synthesis will get you closer but there isn't a preset or midi templet for soul.
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Yeah, you can buy some FSU plugins and have them spit out glitchy madness. It works, it's fast, and it can add some randomness to things.

But I find better results from manually going in there and chopping things to bits and copy/pasting for stutters, etc. Or use something like Recycle and don't look for the 'usual' slice points to break it up

Just about any DAW will let you drop in audio files and then chop them up.
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No offense but OP sounds like he's asking the age old "So where is the easy button". People new to any art form never seem to understand the element of sheer time and talent that people such as aphex twin posses.

If there was a piece of software that essentially just made awesome tracks and riffs from nothing, everyone would be using it and we'd all be famous. There is no substitute for creativity, time, and practice.
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Look at this guy, I cant see no sequencer anywere, or even a sampler. Maybe those drum mics went through some crunchy desk I guess....



True story of 90's electronica. Samplers. Lets you loop someone else's great beat... but.... it gets boring. If you chop it up into hits you can use a computer to mimic someone playing the drums really fast and cool - like from who you sampled.

Add a whimsy child like melody - genius - begins to sound like arty music instead of dance music. Result.

All this "back in my day" logic is ridiculous because the end point is the people from whom the breaks were nicked from in the first place, and if you asked them about thier day, someone older would have said you guys are lucky, when I was a drummer we just took care of the swing....we never got no breaks man.

Its all just tricks. Like the card force. Ah....now I see...
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no offense but op sounds like he's asking the age old "so where is the easy button". People new to any art form never seem to understand the element of sheer time and talent that people such as aphex twin posses.

If there was a piece of software that essentially just made awesome tracks and riffs from nothing, everyone would be using it and we'd all be famous. There is no substitute for creativity, time, and practice.
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People new to any art form never seem to understand the element of sheer time and talent that people such as aphex twin posses.
It's because the true geniuses make it seem so easy. And perhaps to them, it is... but that's why they're so brilliant.
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I think the OP should download a copy of Richard D James brain. Unfortunately its not available at the moment. Check back in 40-50 years when he has uploaded himself into the Matrix and you can be assimilated.
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Try iTunes or Amazon MP3 downloads.
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My question is the following:

If I want to make beats like the following musicvideos show, as a example, what software or plugin should I use? is there even a software for drum-machine emulation beside the tb roland series which I absolutly don´t like at all?
Aphex Twin produced Flim in 1996/1997, when DAWs and plugins as we know them were just in their infancy.

The drums in that song are purely the result of brilliant programming. Probably with a hardware sampler and maybe Pro Tools? There was a lot of manual work going on there.

This tutorial on NI Battery actually calls that song out specifically as an example of good programming. It's more a tutorial about programming rhythms than using the Battery plugin. I recommend it as a good start in opening your mind to the possibilities current tech offers.
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No offense but OP sounds like he's asking the age old "So where is the easy button". People new to any art form never seem to understand the element of sheer time and talent that people such as aphex twin posses.

If there was a piece of software that essentially just made awesome tracks and riffs from nothing, everyone would be using it and we'd all be famous. There is no substitute for creativity, time, and practice.
Well, I don't think it's such a bad idea to try out some "magic plugins" or special sound libraries. It's a good starting point sometimes. Why? Because you realize after a while that it takes something else to get great results, this is where you have to decide if you're willing to put in the work or not. I still go through a bit of this (but a helluva lot less than than when I was younger) when approaching a new genre. There is a risk of course, that you will never realize that your plugins and your cool loops sound like shit and that people hearing it won't realize this either ...
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It's a bit early in the year for the annual Aphex Twin drum programming thread.

There's a one per year quota you know...

If you can learn to sequence the piano in Aladdin Sane, then you can probably also sequence drums like Richard D. James used to...

I say used to, because he appears to have gotten bored of putting a lot of finesse into his programming after a certain point. The drums on Drukqs are certainly not as graceful or intricate as those on Richard D. James or Come To Daddy.
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Aphex Twin produced Flim in 1996/1997, when DAWs and plugins as we know them were just in their infancy.

The drums in that song are purely the result of brilliant programming. Probably with a hardware sampler and maybe Pro Tools? There was a lot of manual work going on there.
I won't be surprised if it was just Atari ST running Cubase and Akai sampler. No magic dust, no magic buttons. Any DAW and software sampler with a bunch of chopped up breakbeats will do a trick today.

Here is Photek part from that documentary, where Squarepusher video is coming from:

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