Thinking of selling my Moog Prodigy for a Moog Little Phatty
Old 3rd January 2013
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Thinking of selling my Moog Prodigy for a Moog Little Phatty

I like the Prodigy but for the money seems like I'll get more out of the Moog Slim Phatty. I'm all one for vintage analog sound but how different is the sound really from a Moog Prodigy to Slim Phatty. Also the features the Slim Phatty seems worth it.
Old 3rd January 2013
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That's a really tough call. If you haven't already, maybe you should check out Keyboard Wizard's Rogue vs LP comparison on YouTube. In terms of tone you might really miss the Prodigy. But then you might be more inspired musically by the possibilities of the Phatty (not to mention ease of use).

I've got an LP which I like very much, but it doesn't have the vibe of the old Moogs. The closest comparable vintage synth I have is a Promars and the sound of that thing makes my Phatty feel transparent and distant.
Old 4th January 2013
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i agree with maisonvague, you may really miss the prodigys sound. the newer moogs just dont sound as good to me as the vintage ones.
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Old 4th January 2013
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i have a prodigy and i would never ever sell it.
i am gonna buy a kenton midi converter
you should keep it and save up for the phatty
Old 4th January 2013
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Most definitely keep the Prodigy if sound is most important.
Old 4th January 2013
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Don't do it!
The new moog sound is sterile
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nope
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i have a prodigy and i would never ever sell it.
i am gonna buy a kenton midi converter
you should keep it and save up for the phatty
Thanks for all the input guys!

I went to youtube today and watched a ton of demos. Of course I did what we all should do which is to go test it out in person so I went to Guitar Center and played around with it for a half hour or so.

Earlier today too I pulled out the Prodigy and played with that.

They definitely both sound very different. I like the sound of both of them though. (of course that's the gearslut in me talking)



I had a 12 % off coupon so I decided to buy the slim phatty tonight and keep the Prodigy. Now I'm in Moog heaven. Pardon the punn Bob Moog.


Seriously though, thanks guys! I knew I could find some good advice here!

By the way I have the MG-1 too and damn I like the gearslutz threesome this is!
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Old 4th January 2013
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I used to have the Prodigy, among other Moogs (Liberation, Rogue, MG-1, Taurus).
The Prodigy was the first one I bought and the last one I sold.
I sold it to buy a Little Phatty.
Never looked back.
I happen to like that smooth sound. And (in my opinion) it is much more playable (velocity, interface, octave range etc.).

If you keep your Prodigy: You might want to search for mods to improve its versatila...versitali...versalita... er, musical options.
I added an octave switch and a mod to pitch notes while in sync mode.

Cheers,
Bert
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There was a thread about Prodigy vs Little Phatty some years ago, and most people were all for the Little Phatty, which was more expensive by then:

Moog Prodigy or Moog Little Phatty

Funny how perceptions change in just a few years as now most people seem to be more into the Prodigy...
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Old 4th January 2013
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I was considering a moog source, but the little phatty looks highly useable, they'll all sound good I bet :D
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However good the Prodigy is, I'd never describe the LP's sound as "sterile." It can sound funny and moogy but it can be made rough as guts too, and unstable as you please. The routing options allow you to get human formant and screaming effects via modulation. Nothing could be further from sterile IMO...
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It is consistently very deep towards the mid-low end, which makes it sound fat compared with a more "nasal" sort of synth.... I reckon this preference in the design causes some people to think the modern moogs are too "vanilla," but believe me, over time this facility becomes inimitable... you can't get the same thing out of most software and any other analogue I've ever tried... it's less "raw" with more "heart." It makes it sound very strong. Not for everyone... maybe another colour for the palette.
Old 4th January 2013
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yeah if i had to pick one id go with the prodigy just based on sound. i have a rogue and a slim phatty and i pretty much always use the rogue
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the prodigy is probably the vintage moog that sounds the closest to the phatty, not identical but very close on many sounds. i hesitated a bit in between these two when i was looking for a budget moog and ended up picking the phatty because midi, patch storage, reliability & the arpeggiator (probably my favorite feature) trumped the only benefit of the prodigy, a slightly more vintage tone. i now got the budget for a bigger moog and will be going the same route for the same reasons (ie voyager)
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Well, it looks like the OP made the most sensible decision which is to have both!

Anyway, just to weigh back in, I really do like my Phatty. It may not be as "beefy" or "vibey" as some of my vintage synths, but it's so much easier to work with. In many ways it's the perfect monosynth -- the one I've always wanted to have. I do find the sound slightly sterile, however -- but nothing a bit of outboard processing can't cure. When I look at the big picture, it's a winner. And a keeper.

Love the Phatty!
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It is consistently very deep towards the mid-low end, which makes it sound fat compared with a more "nasal" sort of synth.... I reckon this preference in the design causes some people to think the modern moogs are too "vanilla," but believe me, over time this facility becomes inimitable... you can't get the same thing out of most software and any other analogue I've ever tried... it's less "raw" with more "heart." It makes it sound very strong. Not for everyone... maybe another colour for the palette.
How can people describe synths (at least analog) in terms of frequency spectrum? Every patch can be radically different. In fact the only time I have gotten an EQ to have any improvement on a synth is when the patch is totally static. The "vanilla" description comes from the high signal to noise and very low distortion ratings.
Old 8th January 2013
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I have never owned a Moog, but my best friend in the 90s owned a Source, and I am a fan of that classic progressive synth style. I am not sure what the differences are between the LP and the Prodigy but I saw a youtube video in which the Prodigy had a creamy portamento lead that I have not yet heard demonstrated on the LP. if you do change your mind about your Prodigy, I might be interested . In the meanwhile, if anyone knows any of the key differences between the two I would be grateful. I have been following this forum for a few years but this is the first time I actually decided to sign up and try a post =)! Is is true that the Prodigy is the only other Moog to have a certain filter in common with the Minimoog, and if so, which filter is it? I am also a fan of that classic ARP sound, which is similar, but ARPs seem to generally be more creamy and polyphonic than Moogs. Thanks & nice to meet everyone! :D
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According to respected authority, the Source is the closest to a Mini - and it's not so much the filter but also the amplifier stage which plays a role in the sound.
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The prodigy has the sickest sync sound out of any synth ever made (while some would argue the arp odyssey vs. it, the prodigy's is so unique, and leagues beyond any other moog's.) That's always something to consider between the prodigy and LP, and hasn't been mentioned yet.
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The prodigy has the sickest sync sound out of any synth ever made (while some would argue the arp odyssey vs. it, the prodigy's is so unique, and leagues beyond any other moog's.) That's always something to consider between the prodigy and LP, and hasn't been mentioned yet.
Hi Septik,

That's very interesting about the sync sound! Are there any other features that you would site for the Prodigy's uniqueness and reasons why it is "leagues ahead" of the other Moogs? I know that for many that the Minimoog, short of a modular, and that the Minimoog is a 3 oscillator synthesizer. But I could tell the with only 2 oscillators that the Prodigy seemed to have some great sounds that I did not hear on any of the youtube demos I listened to that showcased the Rogue, and some of models that came after the Minimoog. I agree that the Source is amazing. But I believe I would be easily frustrated by its interface, the number of patches, and the reliability of the touch pads. Also, my friend's source was a bear to keep in tune, especially after it heated up during a gig. I recall once or twice when he spent nearly 20 minutes after the gig supposedly had started trying to get his Source in tune or loaded with the correct patch. Besides, dials and knobs seem much more classic and fun to play with! I think I can understand them better intuitively! Thanks for your response!
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Septik - I just noticed that you have an ARP =D!
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Hi Septik,

That's very interesting about the sync sound! Are there any other features that you would site for the Prodigy's uniqueness and reasons why it is "leagues ahead" of the other Moogs? I know that for many that the Minimoog, short of a modular, and that the Minimoog is a 3 oscillator synthesizer. But I could tell the with only 2 oscillators that the Prodigy seemed to have some great sounds that I did not hear on any of the youtube demos I listened to that showcased the Rogue, and some of models that came after the Minimoog. I agree that the Source is amazing. But I believe I would be easily frustrated by its interface, the number of patches, and the reliability of the touch pads. Also, my friend's source was a bear to keep in tune, especially after it heated up during a gig. I recall once or twice when he spent nearly 20 minutes after the gig supposedly had started trying to get his Source in tune or loaded with the correct patch. Besides, dials and knobs seem much more classic and fun to play with! I think I can understand them better intuitively! Thanks for your response!
The sync is the only thing that the prodigy is truly remarkable for above other synths in higher price ranges. If you like its tone apart from that, then great! It isn't extremely diverse and doesn't have many modulation capabilities, but that sync is incredible, and it does have a nice tone to it as well, but that's just my opinion Of course minimoog excels in many areas.. I'm not saying that the Prodigy is leagues ahead of it at all, but its sync sound sure is

Sources are great too. More diverse, and a great little synth. There are quite a few mono synths in the price range that would come before a source though. I got my prodigy (later version with CV/Gate) all beat up for $400 and replaced a few keys + fixed some faulty tuning issues and filthy contacts. Plays perfectly now, and didn't cost me anything to fix. Not sure what the average price is for these now, but I'm not sure that it would be my first pick in its top $ price range. just my .02

I'm also a die-hard Liam Howlett fan, and it was my first analog synth.. If it wasn't for this fact, selling it to make room for an MS20 has crossed my mind many times.. Don't tell the moog :(
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Like I mentioned earlier I own a Prodigy and a MG-1. And I was surprised at how many sounds you can get out of the MG-1. It lacks a proper filter envelope but makes up in the sonic possibility range.
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I like the Prodigy but for the money seems like I'll get more out of the Moog Slim Phatty. I'm all one for vintage analog sound but how different is the sound really from a Moog Prodigy to Slim Phatty. Also the features the Slim Phatty seems worth it.
dont do it.. the phatty is a crap synth in relation and in 5 years time you get it for 300 while the prodidgy will be 2000
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..selling it to make room for an MS20 has crossed my mind many times.. Don't tell the moog :(
I was under the impression from researching vintage synth archives that an ARP 2600 is basically the bigger original to the MS20... I have never had one so I am going on what I have read. In actuality, I am really new to analog synth - which makes it all the more exciting!!! :D As far as keyboards go, I have only owned this Radeon 61 key MIDI controller to use with software vst/rtas, like ewql, and back in the 80s and early 90s I had a Roland S-10 Sampler and a Korg Sound module that I used for composition and to perform solo gigs with. Since one of those was a sampler, and the other was PCM based, I never had the privilege of experimenting with raw synth! I am really quite excited! I must admit, however, that I am a little dazzled by Moog's Animoog - just because the sounds you get from that thing are great for pads and creamy lead tones. But the lead tones head to head with a real analog synth just don't stack up from what I have heard. Still, the Animoog really the best digital synth I have heard in comparison to synths that try to sound Moog-ish. There is a Prodigy on ebay right now for almost as much as an LP - but it is a fixer upper. I also need a better controller, like and 88 key hammer weighted. I suppose that's why I also got interested in Animoog :D - I could have the controller, and iPad, a MIDI adapter, and Animoog for probably less than the Moog itself :(. But it just feels like one of those things that you know you will regret!!
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I was under the impression from researching vintage synth archives that an ARP 2600 is basically the bigger original to the MS20... I have never had one so I am going on what I have read. In actuality, I am really new to analog synth - which makes it all the more exciting!!! :D As far as keyboards go, I have only owned this Radeon 61 key MIDI controller to use with software vst/rtas, like ewql, and back in the 80s and early 90s I had a Roland S-10 Sampler and a Korg Sound module that I used for composition and to perform solo gigs with. Since one of those was a sampler, and the other was PCM based, I never had the privilege of experimenting with raw synth! I am really quite excited! I must admit, however, that I am a little dazzled by Moog's Animoog - just because the sounds you get from that thing are great for pads and creamy lead tones. But the lead tones head to head with a real analog synth just don't stack up from what I have heard. Still, the Animoog really the best digital synth I have heard in comparison to synths that try to sound Moog-ish. There is a Prodigy on ebay right now for almost as much as an LP - but it is a fixer upper. I also need a better controller, like and 88 key hammer weighted. I suppose that's why I also got interested in Animoog :D - I could have the controller, and iPad, a MIDI adapter, and Animoog for probably less than the Moog itself :(. But it just feels like one of those things that you know you will regret!!
Welcome to the world of analog synthesizers It's a long a sweet road. And though people do say that about ms20 and 2600 some places on the internet, there is really no relation between them in terms of sound, functionality, or modulation capabilities.
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I LOVE the Moog MG1!



Would kill for another one.



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Septik - Thank you for the heart-felt welcome! :D

Draven: re: MG-1s what are their outstanding features? Do you have any links? Thanks!

MM
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Draven: I just listened to the MG-1 and although it has a lot of Moog functionality, I can't hear the tone in it in my own opinion. Basically, I would not end up playing it for all of its similarities. But that is not to say that it isn't Moog in spirit, but as another poster said earlier, it is sort of the difference between an LP and a Prodigy as far as the what is going to hold more value, both in terms of money and in terms of desirability. This is just what I hear, and of course I am new to this forum and it is only my opinion - and I appreciate your input ! Thank you =)

BTW, Draven: how do you like your new LP so far? What do you like best about it?
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