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29th December 2012
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My friend I cannot tell you how silly the kick thing can get.
I must be the only person in the universe who just scrolls through his drum presets, finds a kick that sounds good and forgets about it.

I think this glorification of the kick is ridiculous. By now you'd think the ultimate kick sample would have been created and everyone would use it on everything.

I'm waiting for a new post-dubstep genre that's nothing but kick drum
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I must be the only person in the universe who just scrolls through his drum presets, finds a kick that sounds good and forgets about it.

I think this glorification of the kick is ridiculous. By now you'd think the ultimate kick sample would have been created and everyone would use it on everything.

I'm waiting for a new post-dubstep genre that's nothing but kick drum
The kick is central to my tracks, i try to use a different kick for every track i make. Even if it's just slightly different. Very rarely use presets. It just takes way more time to find a preset that works than creating a kick with a drum machine or synth.

Plus, i don't think every track could use the same kick drum.

The kick is "glorified" in the music i make because it's the basis of the track. I quite dislike kicks that sound like a lightly tapped cardboard box.
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When they makes me dance no matter if I´m straight or stoned, overexcited or depressed.
In other words, when they please my ears no matter my mood.

First impressions over your creations can be tricky most of the times. I produce lots of beats every day, but I keep only those ones wich reveal subtle relationships between the sounds, and a personality wich rises from the interaction and sinergy.
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I'm of the old school opinion that a song has to work live on a guitar or piano or it isn't a song ....

Depends on what you are aiming for obviously - but (in my opinion) electronic musicians can learn from all genres of music and there is much to be learned about arrangement and orchestration that can be "borrowed".

All artists steal. Great artists steal from the best.

Although i'm mainly a guitar player, i've grew up with midi technology since it was first invented in the early 80's. I know all about setting up an 8 bar loop and thinking I was onto something. But for me it all comes back to having a song and something to say ...

Sure - I know that there is room for all types of music. But even in pure instrumental mood or dance music, I think people still want to be taken on a journey ... a static loop is basically hypnotism, which has a place, but it bores most people ...
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you mean, when you can play that song "unplugged"?

I heard Martin Gore saying that once. A song is a "song" when you can play it on an acoustic instrument.

There´s a lot of true on that, I recognize it despite I make LOTS of empty, soul-less beats. However, defined harmonies slowly raises from chaotic beats, and when I recognize an story behind sounds, I isolated it, organized the different sequences wichi compose them, and start to give it a defined form.

Normally I work with multiple tracks at the same time, wich helpes me to avoid getting stuck into a routine, or getting bored.

I´ve make lots of strict EDM tracks, wich are focused on dancing. They are not so enjoyable listening them on your room. But the things I´ve done, and I like the most, have a recognizable harmonic structure

I also look for feedback from my friends.
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When I get up from my chair and start dancing, that's when I know. Referencing the over listening thing, I read an interview by Rod Modell about his process and he talked about putting together a patch and listening on loop for DAYS. If he couldn't listen to it for days then he would scrap the idea. Obv his music kinda lends itself to this method.
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The kick is central to my tracks, i try to use a different kick for every track i make. Even if it's just slightly different. Very rarely use presets. It just takes way more time to find a preset that works than creating a kick with a drum machine or synth.

Plus, i don't think every track could use the same kick drum.

The kick is "glorified" in the music i make because it's the basis of the track. I quite dislike kicks that sound like a lightly tapped cardboard box.
Well you see the kick is central to my music also and I think allot of music today.

I do not believe in having a kick drum which is used on every track.
The kick drum defines the track for me and it can really change the whole feel of song.
Change it and the whole track changes.
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The enemy of progress is listening fatigue (and I'm VERY guilty of this)... I'll become enamored with some sections and ideas, listen over and over, but then burn out and not finish.
This is such a familiar situation for me. I would say this is more true for techno than any other genre. Sometimes i come up with something i love but i know that i have to finish it soon or i will become tired of working with it.
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the kick is central to my music also and I think allot of music today
OK, I'm guilty of taking this thread OT, sorry for suggesting there's life past kick drums

Please get back to talking about how you know you are on to something.
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This is such a familiar situation for me. I would say this is more true for techno than any other genre. Sometimes i come up with something i love but i know that i have to finish it soon or i will become tired of working with it.
I make techno and this happens to me often. If i don't complete something, i lose momentum and when i come back later to it, it often feels like i'm elsewhere musically and it's not fun anymore to work on that track. I really admire people who can work on the same track for weeks and weeks non-stop. I can't do that!
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This is such a familiar situation for me. I would say this is more true for techno than any other genre. Sometimes i come up with something i love but i know that i have to finish it soon or i will become tired of working with it.

That´s a very common problem.

A good solution is working with several tracks at the same time. Developing slowly.

Having fun during the composition process is something really important. When you fell you fall into a routine, perform other process. But this can bring another problem: unfinished tracks.

HAving a really good sound palette at your disposition is something very valuable to avoid routine. Better sounds implies more interesting results.

Getting stuck into a loop results in apathy, and you turns into a zombie in front of your gear.

I´ve been solving this problem, making multiple versions of the same song, not trying just to follow a deterministic path on the creative process, but trying several options for the same idea. This is easier when working with multiple, interrelated sequences. Determinism is kind of dangerous, and if you force yourself to impress a very defined idea, closing the doors to improvisation or a little bit of chaos, is very easy to find a dead end.
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This is such a familiar situation for me. I would say this is more true for techno than any other genre.
Yea, well, techno is just ear fatigue anyways.
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I have to have my idea before I even sit down. I find noodling away with no goal or direction is tedious and burns you out. When I sit down to work on music, its to execute an idea. Not to stumble over ideas.
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Yea, well, techno is just ear fatigue anyways.
I ain't disagreeing! I must admit i have a love hate relationship with techno. I will always love it and sometimes i will listen to nothing but techno for a couple of days but then i just want to get away from it completely - listen to some enya, arvo part, gorecki, rem, pretty much anything with lots of dynamics and melody...
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I make techno and this happens to me often. If i don't complete something, i lose momentum and when i come back later to it, it often feels like i'm elsewhere musically and it's not fun anymore to work on that track. I really admire people who can work on the same track for weeks and weeks non-stop. I can't do that!
Oh for sure techno is such a repetitive sound.
Can get boring very quickly.
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I dont hear music as much as I feel it, & when I have turned off the world and all it's superflous bullshit, when there is no other distraction from internal conflict, or conversation. When I allow meself to totally let go and experience the real joy and fun of jamming an idea, is when I know something's real or not. I guarantee it's not right after watching the news or PBS or some other such nonsense. Escapism is not the fuel of my fire, visual stimulation is. An hour or two of porn, a good movie or video compliation works wonders. Jealousy, lust or greed rears it's ugly head and I get motivated. Why be an artist?
Why not be is the more relevant question...
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when i start dancing in my boxers to my hi hat pattern.
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Any one of 3 things:
Makes me wanna dance
Makes me wanna toke
Makes me wanna fvck
Inevitably, any of those 3 and it does get finished.
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Well... you know when you're not.

The way you feel when you're constantly struggling and not feeling any progress... It's the opposite of that. And you'll know.
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Pleasure.
I let others listen to mostly/finished pieces, and I'll accept advice, but if I love it and someone else doesn't, I overrule.
Yeah this is so true. It's good to get advice on tracks that are close to being finished. That's when it's most likely constructive criticism. The track is done, so they can't kill your motivation, but useful criticism can be useful for polishing stuff, or at least to keep in mind for the next project.

I often find it inhibiting to invite criticism mid tune, unless it is from someone I'm working with on a regular basis (ie someone part of the production). There's nothing worse than losing steam on a project which you started with a lot of enthusiasm. And whatever we're like as people, the fact is our musical egos are fragile. Of course we can recover from criticism, but it can hit hard if it occurs mid project. So careful about when to ask for critique!
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I've got a pretty decent following on facebook and Soundcloud, so whenever I'm making something new I'll take a video and post it on my page or post a clip of it on Soundcloud, if people flip then I figure I'm on to something haha

for example

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151335975884355

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151261958614355

still I feel like I need to move on from the style I've been doing even though lots of peeps seem to like it, but I've post a lot of weird stuff before and gotten great reactions

it's kinda hard when I get all these remixes that I need to finish quickly and don't have enough time to do as much sound design exploring as I'd like to but hopefully I'll get a break soon to explore my sound further
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