So I Finally Got...an iPad
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So I Finally Got...an iPad

So for Xmas I finally got an iPad 4. My only goal for it is to incorporate it into music production. But how to do it? Ideally I'd like to be able to sync application based synths and drum machines with my hardware (Minibrute for example). And of course to then run it all into a DAW to record it.

So what else do I need to make my dream come true? What apps and accessories for the iPad do you recommend?

So far I've picked up Audiobus, iMS20, iPolysix, and DM-1 apps.
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Have a flick thru Synthtopia, they always have loads of info on new developments for the iPad.
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So what else do I need to make my dream come true? What apps and accessories for the iPad do you recommend?

So far I've picked up Audiobus, iMS20, iPolysix, and DM-1 apps.
I personally rather enjoy Animoog, Tabletop, Rhythm Studio, and Sunvox. Also Garageband is worth picking up as it can do some pretty good pianos, organs, strings, and guitar sounds.

Unfortunately I don't think anyone has come up with a MIDI/Audio dock for the iPad 4 with it's new connector yet. I hope Alesis updates the IODock, it's a handy device.
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Sunrizer is a pretty nice VA synth.
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I personally rather enjoy Animoog, Tabletop, Rhythm Studio, and Sunvox. Also Garageband is worth picking up as it can do some pretty good pianos, organs, strings, and guitar sounds.

Unfortunately I don't think anyone has come up with a MIDI/Audio dock for the iPad 4 with it's new connector yet. I hope Alesis updates the IODock, it's a handy device.
I just hope the next one can serve as an audio interface for a MBP and not just send/receive MIDI through the USB connection ...

My ioDock would be so much more useful right now if I could be sending audio into my ioDock through the MBP ... (For using maschine ... )
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I find the iPad to be a waste of money for music creation in the end of it all.



Realize, updates might trip up the apps you buy

You need to jump though hoops to get things done sometimes such as midi, recording audio

Eventually the iOS will be updated and your synth or program might not work

You have to use iTunes to move music creation files in and out of your iPad.

For midi you need to hook up adapters and a USB hub

In 5 years your battery will be dead and your iPad is as good as a paperweight.

iPad is a short term music creation tool. no handing down or reselling your synths to anyone.

If you are comfortable with that then go for it.


Most iPad music apps are a but disappointing in my opinion too.

Although I do like some. Problem is quality control.

The best use I find for the iPad is for a drum machine or triggering samples. As for a workstation, not really, as for a synthesizer, so so.
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I find the iPad to be a waste of money for music creation in the end of it all.



Realize, updates might trip up the apps you buy

You need to jump though hoops to get things done sometimes such as midi, recording audio

Eventually the iOS will be updated and your synth or program might not work

You have to use iTunes to move music creation files in and out of your iPad.

For midi you need to hook up adapters and a USB hub

In 5 years your battery will be dead and your iPad is as good as a paperweight.

iPad is a short term music creation tool. no handing down or reselling your synths to anyone.

If you are comfortable with that then go for it.


Most iPad music apps are a but disappointing in my opinion too.

Although I do like some. Problem is quality control.

The best use I find for the iPad is for a drum machine or triggering samples. As for a workstation, not really, as for a synthesizer, so so.
These are fair concerns, but no one forces you to update your software. You can always ignore them.

Also, one benefit for using apps over hardware is that apps are CHEAP. For one piece of hardware I can buy 100 apps. If some are not up to snuff, I can be sure dozens of others are. For those I don't like, not much money was wasted. Whereas with hardware you can shell out over $1K and learn you don't like the purchase. Sometimes you can get a refund, other times you have to sell it yourself, and worse case you have to eat it.

As for the battery, I suspect I'll want what new gizmo is out in 5 years time and will likely get it (iPad 10 or something), or I could get the battery replaced if I'm still tied to this one. Not a big deal.

Many of your concerns aren't that threatening when you look at it.

I agree this can be a great drum source, which is one of the reasons I want to be able to sync this to my hardware.
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I think the point is ... EVERYTHING will improve ... and iOS may not even end up being the dominant music platform (although obviously it is now) ...

What we're seeing is a new way of doing things ... What's going to be truly useful and maybe even revolutionary is still taking shape ...

Some want to be part of this now ... Others will sit by taking note ...

Personally, I'm excited to have this as part of my studio setup now ...
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Not writing off the iPad. I use it too and am loving it. Just bringing up valid points that it is a short term piece of hardware for music creation.

You guys have good points but don't see my points as "threatening". You're reading into things too much.




When I buy a hardware synth and don't like it I sell it and get my money back. With an iPad that money is gone. Just saying. I'm ok with that though.
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I think the synth apos are great fun but to use it as a studio tool i think the controllers are where itll get most use...v control and touchable get the most use from me, but there are loads of others
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What a load of crap! Excuse my sarcasm in-line below

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I find the iPad to be a waste of money for music creation in the end of it all.

Realize, updates might trip up the apps you buy - and that never ever happens with DAWS right? OS X 10.7 didn't break Logic 8 at all, did it? Windows Vista didn't break every DAW known to man, did it? Not at all...

You need to jump though hoops to get things done sometimes such as midi, recording audio - True, the inbuilt mic and the wifi MIDI are really hard to configure... it takes a while to realize you don't actually need to configure anything.

Eventually the iOS will be updated and your synth or program might not work - I've upgraded from iOS 3, to 4, to 5, to 6. No synth program broke at all, although some took a while to update to Retina (looking at you Korg) but it's all good now.

You have to use iTunes to move music creation files in and out of your iPad - Bullshit. Many apps integrate with Soundcloud, or simply allow you to export your files to Dropbox or via email.

For midi you need to hook up adapters and a USB hub - Or use wifi...

In 5 years your battery will be dead and your iPad is as good as a paperweight - And you know this because you've done a scientific study on 5 year old iPads... oh hang on, none are that old? How's your 5 year old laptop battery doing? What about that 5 year old phone?

iPad is a short term music creation tool. no handing down or reselling your synths to anyone. - Right, and no selling or handing down your iPad either. That's illegal in 6 continents...

If you are comfortable with that then go for it.


Most iPad music apps are a but disappointing in my opinion too.

Although I do like some. Problem is quality control.

The best use I find for the iPad is for a drum machine or triggering samples. As for a workstation, not really, as for a synthesizer, so so.
Your entire post would have been 10x better if you'd just posted those last few lines. The synth sounds are usually middle of the road, although I found the Polysix and MS20 easily on par with the Korg Legacy collection - but the virtual sounds are just as good as anything on your desktop for a comparable price. In fact, the iPolysix also has a really intuitive sequencer and I found it really easy and fun to get musical ideas down quickly. Could you compose, arrange, mix and master an entire opus? Probably not, but it wasn't designed for that.

@the OP - I use it as a scratch pad for getting ideas down, sounds, melodies etc. Garage Band is better than it seems at first glance, the Korg apps are seriously excellent (although the iMS20 is fiddly, the iPolysix is amazing) and the Electribe is first rate. Rebirth is worth a visit too.
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Well..an Ipad...thats always more comfortable way to browse porn when not at home then from a smartphone :P
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What a load of crap!
Calm down dude, just an opinion.
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I like Korg apps.
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In two years few will use laptops at gigs, rather iPads. I would also expect an avalanche of iPad related live instrument/keyboard/interface announcements at NAMM 2013.

Also, it's nice purchasing $19 SW rather than $299 boxes...
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Laptops can multitask much better than iPad. And they do offer more CPU and RAM muscle than iPad. I don't think they're going to be replaced entirely by iPads for gigs.
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Calm down dude, just an opinion.
You posted most of those points as facts - at least the one's I responded to.

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Just stating the short term aspect. I don't know how many times I have to repeat this. Also most of my statement is about the use of the ipad in a workflow.
No, most of your statement was about how upgrading the OS would break everything, and it was hard to get sounds out, and the battery would be useless in 5 years etc.

If you're saying it's a passing fad, don't invest too much into it, I think there's merit in that argument. But that would have been easier to say that making 14 statements, of which 12 were blatantly and factually wrong.
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Well..an Ipad...thats always more comfortable way to browse porn when not at home then from a smartphone :P
Best point made.
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What a load of crap! Excuse my sarcasm in-line below



Your entire post would have been 10x better if you'd just posted those last few lines.
Or made you less angry.
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Or made you less angry.
I skipped meditation today... sorry.
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Laptops can multitask much better than iPad. And they do offer more CPU and RAM muscle than iPad. I don't think they're going to be replaced entirely by iPads for gigs.
You be amazed about the iPad retina multicore ARM performance. Frankly speaking I don't need that much disk space for running a nice keyboard rig just based on an iPad.
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I skipped meditation today... sorry.
Nah you're right I was being an ass. I was putting up my opinion like it was fact.

Anyway your points are good and I'm glad you responded back with your replies in red. It will help people see answers if they have any questions from the points I brought up.




It's all good. That's why we all chat in this thread. To balance each other out with replies. So it's all good. Sorry if I came off harsh.

Happy Holidays.
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You be amazed about the iPad retina multicore ARM performance. Frankly speaking I don't need that much disk space for running a nice keyboard rig just based on an iPad.
Are you saying it can run, say, a split of two layers with 4 synths each, all at the same time, with an elaborate FX chain afterwards, and it has something like Brainspawn Forte or Mainstage to organize your gig setlist sounds, with some preload options between the setups?


I didn't think so.
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Nah you're right I was being an ass. I was putting up my opinion like it was fact.

Anyway your points are good and I'm glad you responded back with your replies in red. It will help people see answers if they have any questions from the points I brought up.

It's all good. That's why we all chat in this thread. To balance each other out with replies. So it's all good. Sorry if I came off harsh.

Happy Holidays.
I didn't need to be such a sarcastic ass either - happy holidays to you too.
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Are you saying it can run, say, a split of two layers with 4 synths each, all at the same time, with an elaborate FX chain afterwards, and it has something like Brainspawn Forte or Mainstage to organize your gig setlist sounds, with some preload options between the setups?


I didn't think so.
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I've been using the lemur software on the iPad and I find this is something that I find fantastic but not too many people are into.

I use it as a programming interface for some of my rack gear and I have all my equipment manuals on it.
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synth wise, animoog is the titssss, haven't check out the new version though

controller wise touchosc is the best unless you want to spurge on lemur

and angry birds! space is my fav
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If it helps you make music, ignore the naysayers and make music.

I find in general the iPad excells as a controller but IMO there is not enough seamless integration with other programs and the outside world for it to be greatly useful as a music maker.

I only use some basic midi apps, but I do own Animoog and Morphwiz and they are fun to play with.
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