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16th December 2012
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My fist impression:
the cyclone analogue logo instead of Roland, it´s degrading, almost humiliating.

it´s better to make fake replicas copy kats, and sell them as Roland, than branding a TB-303 with an ACME brand/logo.


i think the x0b0x has more DIY merit.

if you are gonna copy the shape, the knobs, the size, the colors, the sound, why not the name?
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ehm, one software copyist is aware ;]
but you say it as if it's so easy to almost copy/paste code from the tb-303 directly
if it was so, then those who made TT would have copied it, as well as all previous clones
i wouldnt buy a 303 without tap.. but its good that they sticked in other areas to the original..so way better than a xox..

anybody needs a custom cased xox?
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What does a 303 sound like?
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What does a 303 sound like?
you are from the outbacks? like a didgeridoo that can go up to very high octaves..

when the 303 is the trumpet the didge is the vuvuzuela..

here a youtube clip that tells you everything you need to know

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Just wanted to say this is post 303
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Just wanted to say this is post 303
and not even posting a picture or anything ..cheat

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Hey c'mon, I do have a picture no?
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And yes I am being facetious, but my point is: I really don't think that anyone could pick the real 303 out of a blind test of the Roland original vs the various clones. At some point they all sound the same, at others they all excell at different characteristics/tones.
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And yes I am being facetious, but my point is: I really don't think that anyone could pick the real 303 out of a blind test of the Roland original vs the various clones. At some point they all sound the same, at others they all excell at different characteristics/tones.
sure..everything sounds the same.. everything
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Don't you see, that IS the topic.

What is the TT303? WHO is behind it?

Read what people are saying here and something isn't sitting right, then a guy JUST joins GS and EVERY post is amazingly talking up the... wait for it... TT303.

So, rather than being acerbic, I'll just flat out ask...

Do you work for or have any vested interest / professional connection to the TT303?

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No, I have no connection to it. Not every post I've made has been in this thread, but yes, this thread is what brought me here. I have all the gear I want or need except years ago I sold my devilfish. I want another one, but I will not pay 4 grand for one. Hence my interest in the tt and this being the only active thread about it on the internet well here I am. As far as talking it up well if robin whittle stands behind the build quality and the machine then that is a strong proponent.

I am still on the fence.

The videos from dj jondent suck, the videos from the sellers rhythm active and superior sounds suck. They certainly aren't doing any favors to the sales.

If I see a good video from a user I post it here because this keeps the discussion going. It's pretty obvious the users and buyers are not being vocal about it so random videos is all we have until more users buy it, speak up, and there is more to discuss.
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Tap-Write mode (the stuff they just mentioned)
editing chained patterns

on the 303 you can chain a triplet pattern and a normal pattern, hit RUN, then hit CLEAR and you get into Tap-Write mode, a metronome starts, and you can "tap" the time signature (equivalent to doing it from TimeMode step by step)
funky, isn't it?
VB-303 Tap-Write mode - YouTube
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28th December 2012
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for what it's worth...

hey guys,

i have been following this thread with interest, as the tt-303 has fascinated me a great deal. i am also a former owner of a few tb-303's, and built myself a x0x with all the "right" parts. i agree that they all have a bit different of a sound, and many of you have well described the many aspects they share and do not.

i decided today that i wanted to buy one, so i went to their site (seems to be in france) to do exactly that. i had some issues with paypal on their site, so i wrote them and received a quick response from a very nice guy who helped me take care of payment.

getting back to my point... i told the guy both about the broken english manual on the website, and the missing TAP functionality. i sent him the video posted here in the forum showing the mc202/tb303/tr606 tap demo to illustrate everything we have been talking about.

he responded excited about the function, and said that they are working on os updates. he said that he couldn't promise when, but he would ask the engineers about adding it. all-in-all, it has been a very good experience so far.

also, he said that he would fix the broken online manual .rar file very soon.

i figured you might be interested this stuff.

cheers!

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30th December 2012
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Thanks for the update Prophei if you hear back on your questions please post back on here. It will be interesting to see if the tap functionality does get added..
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prophei - Nice info - Thanks

It would be great if the tap function is implemented in future OS updates - good to hear you've passed on that info.

The English manual has now been fixed and is available from http://www.superiorsoundslondon.co.u...r%20Manual.pdf (edit - link changed)

I'm waiting to receive my TT-303 in a few days from Superior Sounds London - I cant wait to compare it with my beloved TB-303 and will report back when I've had a good listen and compare with slides and accents and twiddlling etc
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i decided today that i wanted to buy one, so i went to their site (seems to be in france) to do exactly that. i had some issues with paypal on their site, so i wrote them and received a quick response from a very nice guy who helped me take care of payment


FYI, cyclone analogic is not based in france, the man operating that site is just a dealer that seems to specialize in x0xb0x

i have no idea of his reputation (he seems to live in an obscure part of southern france) or of his ties to the actual TT303 makers. all i'm saying is i would take whatever info he tells you with a serious grain of salt and would recommend buying your TT303s from an actual brick & mortar dealer..
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FYI, cyclone analogic is not based in france, the man operating that site is just a dealer that seems to specialize in x0xb0x: xconcept x0xb0x specialist x0xb0x le clone de tb303 - x0x Concept

i have no idea of his reputation (he seems to live in an obscure part of southern france) or of his ties to the actual TT303 makers. all i'm saying is i would take whatever info he tells you with a serious grain of salt and would recommend buying your TT303s from an actual brick & mortar dealer..
Its technology transplant (China) and "resonance labs" (USA) who put out the device and designed it (respectively). It says so on the PCB and has been confirmed with correspondence with Chahae Yasaena. Anyone that says otherwise is straight up lying
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recommend buying your TT303s from an actual brick & mortar dealer..
xanax - I dont know why you are quoting me in all this ????

As I said I'm getting mine from "an actual brick & mortar dealer" i.e. Superior Sounds London Ltd
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i know but you posted a link to the french seller site which might induce people in error thinking they are buying straight from the makers of the tt303 which isn't the case...
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i dont think they sell directly, only through dealers

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I wouldn't count on the tap mode... But i read through the manual this morning and the sequencer is pretty cool. I wish someone would make a video of the 8 bar chaining, the transpose, and the arpeggiator which the manual says bases the noted off patterns u have programmed.
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that answers one of my questions:
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What was your question? There are pics floating about of the inside on a swedish forum if you know how to google.
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There are pics floating about of the inside on a swedish forum if you know how to google.
If you read all the thread, you'll find picts right here too
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What was your question? There are pics floating about of the inside on a swedish forum if you know how to google.
yes, i saw those pics when they showed up

afaik, a problem with TB-303s is that they use fragile PCBs and have some hard to find parts, the components are very tight to one another, so fixing it yourself is hard, but doable if you're careful and you manage to find replacement parts

in contrast, a x0xb0x is much more fixable - PCBs are not so fragile, there is much more space between components, and some of the very rare parts have been replaced with easy to find alternatives (case, cpu, pots..)

in both cases, you have the schematic available (for which the analog section is 99% identical) and you can trace problems yourself, tune and calibrate to your liking

now, the TT-303 has no schematic, as far as i can tell it probably doesn't have identical labels on the analog section, and it uses surface mount components, AND the manual says not to open it..

if i had the money, i will definately get a x0xb0x, even tho i _love_ the looks of the original 303..
after all it's all down to the sound and sequencer, a x0xb0x (to me) is easier to maintain and the sequencer is hackable. it's also cheaper

the look'n'feel also add to the pleasure of using it, but it's not so audiable in audio recordings ;]
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yes, i saw those pics when they showed up

afaik, a problem with TB-303s is that they use fragile PCBs and have some hard to find parts, the components are very tight to one another, so fixing it yourself is hard, but doable if you're careful and you manage to find replacement parts

in contrast, a x0xb0x is much more fixable - PCBs are not so fragile, there is much more space between components, and some of the very rare parts have been replaced with easy to find alternatives (case, cpu, pots..)

in both cases, you have the schematic available (for which the analog section is 99% identical) and you can trace problems yourself, tune and calibrate to your liking

now, the TT-303 has no schematic, as far as i can tell it probably doesn't have identical labels on the analog section, and it uses surface mount components, AND the manual says not to open it..

if i had the money, i will definately get a x0xb0x, even tho i _love_ the looks of the original 303..
after all it's all down to the sound and sequencer, a x0xb0x (to me) is easier to maintain and the sequencer is hackable. it's also cheaper

the look'n'feel also add to the pleasure of using it, but it's not so audiable in audio recordings ;]
but the xox has a ****** sequencer that is not likely to change anytime soon..- and if you would need a cpu upgrade board..

besides the xox sounds plainly crap against a real 303.. Just the question how it holds up to a bassbot..

which one sounds better? xox or bot? that would be interesting..
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true, there are 2 things i don't like about the x0xb0x
1) it doesn't have the same button layout as the 303
2) the cpu is too small

#2 is already solved with a cpu mod

btw wtf.. the x0x IS a 303
what is it exactly that the 303 synth side produces that the x0xb0x lacks?
be very specific!
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true, there are 2 things i don't like about the x0xb0x
1) it doesn't have the same button layout as the 303
2) the cpu is too small

#2 is already solved with a cpu mod

btw wtf.. the x0x IS a 303
what is it exactly that the 303 synth side produces that the x0xb0x lacks?
be very specific!
tap entry mode seems like a very useful feature that all clones seem to be lacking, i didn't get it at first when a friend was showing me right in front of my face, after watching a few videos and explanations posted here though it makes sense now to me and seems like a very advanced and useful feature that would be pretty crappy to do without if one were to be going for that 303 sound
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i'm talking about sound, what does the x0xb0x lack?

it's an analog(ue) circuit, the TB-303 used cheap components, and there is a certain amount of tolerance going on, which makes a few things vary between units

the x0xb0x uses 99% the same circuit, tho i think some builders have chosen 1% resistors all over the place, but whatever
the important thing is, that you have the same circuit, thus - the same behaviour

i see many people compare 2 303 clones (or a 303 vs another clone) and they instantly say "oh, here, they are so different, it's so obvious, from kilometers" while the only difference is the filter tuning (TM3)
but they start to talk with those words "dark" "bright" "punchy" "mean" "raw" "kwak" "bark" etc. etc..

as for Tap-Write .. sure, it's very handy for certain situations, it's basically an alternative to TimeMode, you can do the same things, but in realtime (and you have an internal metronome, in case you don't have other gear around)

the only missing part from the x0xb0x as a TB-303 clone is the sequencer
and one day, the x0xb0x shall have it, even if it requires a cpu mod, it's still cheaper than a 2nd hand 303

i have an almost complete TB-303 sequencer running in my softsynth, and a x0xb0x cpu mod, apart from the difference in the x0x button layout, a 303 sequencer CAN be coded, with all of it's features - pitch mode, time mode, tap-write mode, chained patterns, pattern play, track write/play
there is enough memory for pattern/track storage, and there will be enough memory on the cpu mod for additional functions on top of that
i'm talking about 128 patterns and 16 tracks
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