Decided to let go of my voyager. Possible replacements?

[nms]

I don't suppose you tried the 1 or 2 pole filter modes?

[Augsy]

Originally Posted by nms

I don't suppose you tried the 1 or 2 pole filter modes?

Lol I was chatting with you in the other thread about it. Yeah I've tryed them, I've also tryed EQ, and using the resonance of the filter to sort of add harmonics/air to the top. While it can sound brighter I've finally come to the conclusion it's just not what i'm looking for.

I had a chance to demo the mopho recently and I definitely like the leads I can get from that better. I could certainly tell it wasn't as nice as the voyager is overall but I feel the osc's/filter are geared more towards brightness than the voyager is and at 1/6th the cost I'm having trouble seeing much of a down side.

[keybdwizrd]

Originally Posted by Augsy

I'm basically looking for a Mono synth with midi that can do thick basses and nice bright leads.

How about a Little Phatty?

[Augsy]

Originally Posted by keybdwizrd

How about a Little Phatty?

Im considering it, though I've heard that they suffer from the same brightness issues that the voyager does.

blind test:Moog voyager Vs Studio Electronics SE-1 - YouTube

This sort of demonstrates the lack of top end that im talking about.

[nms]

Ah yes, I remember now. It's weird though, I really don't have any issues whatsoever with how to get bright sounds out of the Voyager even without the Clariphonic I picked up which is an obvious solution. You can do a lot between the diff filter modes plus external EQ/distortion/compression. I always track through a Distressor with 4:1 compression which helps.

[polybonk]

Got any tracks with leads you like?

[dionysiananarchy]

red eye edition, the distortion might help a bit,,, plus the filter options would help, my omega is tooo bright at times,,,,, most times,

[goldphinga]

I prefer the voyager than the se1 in that comparison. The Se1 doesnt sound like a Moog.

[KT1]

Originally Posted by Augsy

Well I've finally decided to part with the voyager. To make a long story short I absolutely love the basses/sub basses you can get out of this thing but I just don't care for the top end at all. I've been trying for 2 weeks to make a lead sound that I really like that is bright and exciting but I just can't get it out of the Voyager. I'm not sure whether its the filter calibration, oscs, or VCA causing the "darkness" but I just can't have a $3k synth only being used for basses. If I was rich I would keep it but such is not the case.

Right now i'm considering possibly a mopho or an se1x to use as a replacement. I'm basically looking for a Mono synth with midi that can do thick basses and nice bright leads.

Silly question but ill ask as I made this mistake. Select a saw play it with filter cut off fully open. Not very bright? Correct because it isn't fully open. Take the amount filtered knob and open all way to right. Still not buzzy enough? If so get a minimoog

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[tumbador]

get the real one

Minimoog Model D vs Moog Voyager Comparison - YouTube

[nebelfrau]

MonoEvolver. Or desktop. Whatever.

[goldphinga]

Originally Posted by tumbador

get the real one

Minimoog Model D vs Moog Voyager Comparison - YouTube

Haha yeah the real one?? Different synths different sounds. Both designed by Bob.

[cixelsyd]

modular

[KT1]

I have to say that the price of a Minimoog just isn't worth it in my opinion.

please don't get me wrong the MINI is my preferred sound for sure! (I have one to play with) I am even in the process of selling my voyager. The difference between them is subtle. Those of you like me who care for the subtle difference will notice the MINI is brighter and more buzzy! BTW that patch is one of my favorites of all time! modulating the pitch with noise. That being said the Voyager is very capable.

If you need more BUZZ beyond the filter fully open but the same sound then you need something that replicated the MINI a little closer.

Modular - Macbeth etc may be the way foward.

[ryankraft]

You don't have to like it because it's a moog. Personally i'm sick to death of cliche moog funk bass and moog in general. You've got to use your own ears when buying any type of instrument as it's all subjective. If it's got to be analogue then you need to think carefully if you need memories (very useful when playing live) and what are it's main uses going to be. Also is space an issue. If you buy vintage then expect maintance issues and an inflated price . Here's some to take a close look at.

1. DSI Mopho keyboard. Really nice and powerful sounding, we had a tetra next to a voyager in the studio. I preferred the tetra SOUND. It did not sound cheaper or weaker at any point to the voyager ...just different. The mopho keyboard or x4 will give you that sound but with better interface.

2.DSI Mono evolver keyboard. Just deleated but you can still pick them up. A hybrid but sounds great.

3. SE SE1-X an alternative on the moog sound,some prefer this over a voyager.

4. Arturia minibrute. Just played one. sounds different to DSI and Moog . Does sound good. Let down by only a single osc. (sub is a sub.)and no memories. All this nonsense about being more creative is just that. Remember when memories on synths came along....it was a godsend. But it this price we really can't complain.

5. MFB Dominion X...sounding good to me. Two versions available and a keyboard version and poly are in the works.

6. Macbeth Micromac. Sounds great....at that price i'd want some memories though

vintage.....take your pick....and lots of money

[xanax]

i often read around here of the lack of brightness/buzz of the voyager. i own a phatty and have tried the voyager numerous times and although it does seem to have a little bit more of a wooly sound in the top end, saying it is only good for bass/subs seems like a major stretch. i've seen the comparison videos and to my ears the D & the V just have a different tone. could someone though please post the type of lead sound they are trying to achieve?

[keybdwizrd]

Originally Posted by xanax

i often read around here of the lack of brightness/buzz of the voyager. i own a phatty and have tried the voyager numerous times and although it does seem to have a little bit more of a wooly sound in the top end, saying it is only good for bass/subs seems like a major stretch.

I agree. I also have a Phatty (lawdy, I still hate that name) and it does SCREAMIN' leads. It has always been "bright" enough to cut through guitars and 100w Marshalls. If I ever needed it to be "brighter" (which I haven't), I can't imagine being unable to tweak it with some EQ.

IMHO, synths can sound somewhat flat and dull without any effects at all. A bit of reverb can add some sparkle.

[futurethought]

Try this Moog.

[BTByrd]

S1MKII or M5N.

[golden beers]

op PRO1 with midi-CV box.

[Thomas Kobrick]

Have you considered the slew rate mod? From the samples out there it sounds like it add that old-school edge back. I have a new Voyager being built that has the mod - should get it in a week or so. I will put up some samples. Moog does the mod for $150 and it "cleans up" the waves shapes from each oscillator, resulting in a more pure waveform, according the the Moog tech support guys. One the guys I talked to said it makes it sounds more like a Model D sound, and I've chatted someone who had the mod done and they said it stacks up well against the D now. We will see...

It is no advertised on their site as an available mod, and there is very little out there on it, but the samples made me think it could offer huge improvement if that's the sound you want.

Either way, it would be worth a call to Moog tech support to ask about it and have them describe what it could do for you.

[laikenf]

Originally Posted by Thomas Kobrick

Have you considered the slew rate mod? From the samples out there it sounds like it add that old-school edge back. I have a new Voyager being built that has the mod - should get it in a week or so. I will put up some samples. Moog does the mod for $150 and it "cleans up" the waves shapes from each oscillator, resulting in a more pure waveform, according the the Moog tech support guys. One the guys I talked to said it makes it sounds more like a Model D sound, and I've chatted someone who had the mod done and they said it stacks up well against the D now. We will see...

It is no advertised on their site as an available mod, and there is very little out there on it, but the samples made me think it could offer huge improvement if that's the sound you want.

Either way, it would be worth a call to Moog tech support to ask about it and have them describe what it could do for you.

At least they acknowledge the problem

[Thomas Kobrick]

I wouldn't quite say that. They told me that Mr. Bob Moog preferred the "classic" sound to the modded-sound, so I think it really comes down to preference.

[laikenf]

Originally Posted by Thomas Kobrick

I wouldn't quite say that. They told me that Mr. Bob Moog preferred the "classic" sound to the modded-sound, so I think it really comes down to preference.

I agree, it is the tone of the Voyager after all (some like it some don't, just like with any other synth). But I must say, that is exactly the reason I never gelled with my LP and Voyager OS, all my patches sounded too much alike; as a matter of fact, I got more interesting sounds out of the LP than out of the OS.

[the donal]

Originally Posted by futurethought

Try this Moog.

The MOOOOG!

Ace!

(Ooh Mavith!)

[Augsy]

Originally Posted by nms

Ah yes, I remember now. It's weird though, I really don't have any issues whatsoever with how to get bright sounds out of the Voyager even without the Clariphonic I picked up which is an obvious solution. You can do a lot between the diff filter modes plus external EQ/distortion/compression. I always track through a Distressor with 4:1 compression which helps.

I also dont like the way the resonance sounds in 1 pole mode i usually do 2-4 poles.

[pendejo]

Let it go... Haha. Best you can do is throw it in the trash or fill it with the kind or dirt it lacks and grow flowers in it. There are soft synths that sound better

[Augsy]

Originally Posted by pendejo

Let it go... Haha. Best you can do is throw it in the trash or fill it with the kind or dirt it lacks and grow flowers in it. There are soft synths that sound better

I don't know if your being sarcastic or not lol. The voyager is far from trash though and as far as basses go it's probably one of my favourite synth's that ive heard. It can do nice leads as well but for the music I want to make it definitely wouldn't be my first choice.

[nms]

don't mind the noob comment.

I absolutely love my Voyager. It's an essential piece for me. With the filter poles I agree with you about preferring the sound of the filter curve on the 4 pole, but if you just want bright and buzzy with wide open filter you don't hear the curve anyway. It's an either or choice right now. It'd be nice to have the fully open sound but have the nice 4 pole curve when you sweep the knob.