Dark Energy II Product Page Up

[Griffard]

Really interested in either this or the original, I'd hate to drop $550 on the new one if the filter makes it sound any weaker or worse in any way than the original though

[Llitsor]

If I understood everything right, it should be pretty much entirely new inside. Not only the filter.
Still, it will make comparisons between original & new all the more interesting

[masaski]

Lovely to bolt on to the DE1 via the internal midi cable :-)

[Analog Prophet]

12dB filter instead of 24dB filter is a step down

[Rust Creep]

How is the filter a step down? Hell the 12 db filter should make this more exciting for owners of the first DE

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[dlmorley]

12db filters can be the most interesting of all in many cases. Depends on the implementation. Certainly a lot more flexible.

[Griffard]

Would someone explain the main differences between a 24 db filter and a 12 db filter? Why is 12 db more flexible?

[dlmorley]

well, it's not the slope which makes it more flexible, it's the fact that they are quite often multimode filters.
This means you have Lo pass, Hi Pass, Notch and band pass.
A 24db/octave filter is often just Lowpass.
In the Dark Energy's case, this is true. It was a straight ahead 24db/octave lopass. Now it is a 12db/octave multimode.

[Griffard]

Originally Posted by dlmorley

well, it's not the slope which makes it more flexible, it's the fact that they are quite often multimode filters.
This means you have Lo pass, Hi Pass, Notch and band pass.
A 24db/octave filter is often just Lowpass.
In the Dark Energy's case, this is true. It was a straight ahead 24db/octave lopass. Now it is a 12db/octave multimode.

Oh, nice! Thanks for the clear and quick response!

[Analog Prophet]

I prefer the fatter 4pole filter - therefore it's a step down to me. Just another 2pole mono synth, how exciting is that?

[xanderbeanz]

I'm buying one wanted something with a multimode filter for a while now, I have the mssiah 64 but I want multimode in a proper knobby unit, and I just love the look of it, like a tiny serious modular synth you'd find in a German laboratory.

This will be great for highly tweakable sequences, when used against my m/p on bass duty, I also have a feeling that, with the filter types, fm, audio rate lfo and everything else it's going to be ONE HELL of a drum synth, I reckon you'll be able to do crazy things with it, and...audio in!

[gruvsyco]

My SEM covers my 12db multimode bas(s)es pretty well but I could totally see buying 4 of these to daisy chain. Like a single oscillator FVS. Love the 12db multimode.

[TheBrightSide]

I'm telling Santa about this one!

[atma]

i wonder if they're going to update the a-111-5 (the eurorack version of the Dark Energy).

in any case, i suppose if anyone wants the 'old' version, they can just get that + a cheap euro case.. would come out to about the same price overall, since the a-111-5 is $500

[clusterchord]

i bet this will sound way different from the old one, not only bcs of change in filter slope and multimode, but bcs of the hardware build; first one was all based on small synth-on-a-chip by Curtis Designs (3394), and that brought up a certain sonic character with it (similar to SCI six track or Akai ax60). this new one will have discrete components (more or less) in all vco, vcf and vca.

which i think is a good thing for variety in their "dark" line of products - probably tons of ppl who have the I will now want this one too... like pokemons. and theres of course DT that can run two CV synths.. Doepfer ppl are not dumb i tell ya.

[flat earth]

Very interesting. Although I'm skint atm, I have severe gas for this. Will keep Mk1 though. Love its sound. Looks like my panels will fit mk2 as well, so no redesign needed.

[Eric J]

Originally Posted by flat earth

Very interesting. Although I'm skint atm, I have severe gas for this. Will keep Mk1 though. Love its sound. Looks like my panels will fit mk2 as well, so no redesign needed.

Are you the one who makes those custom side panels?

[nebelfrau]

I, too, GAS for the multimode filter. Would've preferred to have the triangle core VCO though!

[acealive]

I'll buy one. I have use for a Monosynth with a Multimode filter

[flat earth]

Originally Posted by Eric J

Are you the one who makes those custom side panels?

Yes. I sell them on Ebay UK. (Not to be confused with the guy in US who totally ripped off my idea).

[lilita]

I want one of each (one old, one new)

[Daniel_Che]

would be nice to compare it with my SEM Pro which also has a 12db filter, they could get along

[clusterchord]

Originally Posted by Daniel_Che

would be nice to compare it with my SEM Pro which also has a 12db filter, they could get along

that would perhaps be too close to home.. two SVF designs. imo, presuming you want something to complement your SEM - it's hard to go wrong with a 24dB transistor ladder design. classic thumping basses. punchy sequences and smoooth leads.

[xanderbeanz]

Yeah that's why I'm looking forward to pairing the 24dB mono/poly with it's 12dB funkiness the filter can self oscillate right? I wonder if i'll be able to get some MS 10/20 like tones from it?

[Valdez]

Thanks for the heads-up, was looking for this.

[Analog Prophet]

Originally Posted by xanderbeanz

Yeah that's why I'm looking forward to pairing the 24dB mono/poly with it's 12dB funkiness the filter can self oscillate right? I wonder if i'll be able to get some MS 10/20 like tones from it?

That's exactly what I have done tonight, when just play around hour after hour tonight with my Minimoog Voyager (at least one good thing when it's just boring programs on TV). Exciting to combine 12dB and 24dB filter.

[Sweep1]

The interesting thing about the mark two is that the filter is multimode. In particular I'm looking forward to using it in notch filter mode. It isn't a step down from the mark one filter when it does things the mark one doesn't do. Of course it all depends on whether the individual wants those features.

No doubt when the mark two's been out for a while people will have their preferences between that and the mark one. Time will tell for me. I have the mark one and adding the mark two should be interesting.

[the donal]

I'm interested by how different this will sound to the original.

May need to get one and another dark time..

[Daniel_Che]

yes, 24db would be the ultimate choice to go with, image Ken's Micromac and SEM Pro? WOW! yes DE and SEM both share 12db filters, but nonetheless i am interested to hear what the new DE has to deliver and make comparison

Originally Posted by clusterchord

that owulfd perhaps be too close to home.. two SVF designs. imo, presuming you want something to complement your SEM - it's hard to go wrong with a 24dB transistor ladder design. classic thumping basses. punchy sequences and smoooth leads.