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Old 16th October 2012   #1
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Trying to play synth with Alesis ControlPad while drumming.

We're a duo, so picking up a few extra duties is inevitable.

The problem I was running into is that if I try to play the little buttons on my Korg EA-1 while drumming, I either become a little too ginger on the drums, or else I beat the hell out of the synth. Plus, the time spent picking up and putting down drumsticks was ruining my fills.

I play very simple melodies on the thing, usually just tapping a note here and there, or banging on it in quarter or 8th notes. I don't really hold notes down -- or at least -- I don't really NEED to for the songs my band is playing, and I don't play on every part of every song, or even half the time for that matter.

So I got the Alesis ControlPad, hooked it up with a MIDI cable to the EA-1, and programmed the right notes for each song into the pads and saved the "songs" as different banks. Well it sort of worked, except for one problem I haven't figured out how to solve yet. When I hit the pads, it sends only the shortest possible burst of the note -- its more of a click really, just the initial attack of the patch with no resonance what-so-ever. It did not occur to me that this would be a problem since I only "tap" the keys on the keyboard anyway, but I can not possibly tap it with my finger quickly enough to send that short of a burst.

So, for example, if I'm playing 8th notes, I would expect to hear "doot doot doot doot doot doot doot doot" like when I tap the button on the synth directly, but instead i'm hearing "click click click click click click click click" when controlled with the ControlPad. I can tell when I change pads that the clicks are coming in at the assigned note, but it doesn't sound very musical.

Is this a limitation of the synth, or the controller, or can it be resolved? If I have to find another synth, I can probably do that even though the sounds I'm getting from the EA-1 are really perfect... but abandoning my "play synth with triggers" idea will be a huge bummer so I'm really hoping it doesn't come to that.

Any input or ideas would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi,

The ControlPad isn't gonna offer you any sort of trigger envelope so you have to look at your synth patches. You could add in a longer release time but I don't think the EA-1 has a ADSR envelope, just one knob, right?

Either way, if I were going to do this I would use samples. It would be easier to tailor the sound to a short trigger envelope such as a drum pad will provide. If you want a "doot" sound, that's going to be hard to achieve using the synth's envelope because adjusting the release time is your only option and that's going to make more of a "DOOOoooooohhhh" sound.

Unless you had a synth that had the ability to draw a custom release envelope a sample is probably the way to go.
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One thought: Do you have an iPad? The Korg iMS-20 app is a clone of the Korg MS-20, which had a "Hold" option on it's envelope generator. This might allow you to achieve the sound you are looking for with short trigger times....

If you have an iPad, you can get a handy MIDI enabled dock from Alesis.
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I recently replaced one of the sensors in my ControlPAD with $2 in parts from Radioshack I guess that's one plus for piezo triggers!
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I wonder if there isn't some sort of MIDI device I could put between the two to interpret? Like, it receives a triggered note, and responds by sending a pre-programmed midi sequence, perhaps on another channel? This sequence wouldn't need to consist of anything more than a single note with a good quarter-second before the note-off. I imagine an MPC could do this for me, but putting a device like that into this chain (and this minimal band for that matter) seems awfully superfluous -- same with the ipad solution.. not to mention both are a bit pricier than this is probably worth.
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I set up an environment in Logic which allows me to set note lengths for triggers from my ControlPad and also easily set up custom scales on the fly. If you're a Logic user, I would be happy to post it to the web for download.
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I had a controlpad setup next to my kit for the same thing, was running to a mpc though, try stacking drum sounds on top of some of the synth notes and as someone said check the adsr settings on your synth and you should be able to get more sustain, or go to a sampler. My control pad lasted a year and a half before the main board fried, i broke each trigger out to a 1/4" jacks i added to the back panel, now its just a trigger pad i run into a module
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