Hey guys, Been using Diva for only a shot time. Love this sound but Im still a little confused about how to work it. I've working extensively on these kind of ''FM'' basslines lately and was hoping some of you DIVA guys might be able to share some knowledge on how to set Diva up like this. or if its capable because i asked a friend how know's Diva better then me and said it was impossible for him. Its starting to really frustrate me with the time im spending trying to do this!
Here are some examples of bass
This one sounds a little different to me but I think with the same fundamental settings? Wondering if Diva has this capability.
I tried a few different goes at it with the Fm style set up with diva but wondering if its the right steps because they don't really come close.
This doesn't really sound FM to my ears - I think you should try the MS20 filter model and add some drive, then filter that result again.
If it was FM, it'd be very simple - 2 operators at most. But using Diva for FM sounds?
Use the right tool for the right job.
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This doesn't really sound FM to my ears - I think you should try the MS20 filter model and add some drive, then filter that result again.
If it was FM, it'd be very simple - 2 operators at most. But using Diva for FM sounds?
Use the right tool for the right job.
Yeah fair enough.. I wasn't and still not sure if diva can produce a sound. I was reading in posts about a very very similar sound on KVR and people were commenting on it been FM so I was presuming FM.
What kind do you suggest it to be? Subtractive of some sort?
Ok. cool, any advice on ms-20 settings? couple of saw waves, short filter ENV and then what Im pretty much stumpled
its not a complicated sound - you need to learn to tweak a few controls to get what you want.
Optical is right - you can do this with 1 or 2 Osc. Saw or square will give you a slightly different result - try both.
The key is a combination of the following:
Set the cutoff of the filter quite closed - anywhere from 0 to 30% open
Try about 40% resonance
play with the Envelope->Filter amount...try 50% to start
finally set the Filter envelope like this. A(0)D(4)S(0)R(2) (values out of 10)
The funky bass sound has a muted characteristic due to having a closed filter cutoff - which is quickly moved by the envelope-but not too far (env amount).
You need to play with the above values and as you do you will start to hear the sound you are looking for. Make a MIDI sequence and tweak away...
This is a very similar sound. Look at where the knobs are... The magic is in the LP filter and the envelope.
cool yeah I see the ENV knobs. This pretty similar to what I was thinking. witch one is the filter cutoff? not the one he plays with?
Ok so you reckon is just one osc. saw would have to be my first guess? Thats what I've had the best results with. But I have tryed with sylenth and diva and they both lack any real nice ''nocking'' sound at the start even with as much resonance as I can before it starts sound different. tal juno u-no plug in has given me the best go at getting the sound but it sounds to ''Lush'' and not bassy enough.
The thought the last example might of been a tweaked version of a fretless bass type sound
cool yeah I see the ENV knobs. This pretty similar to what I was thinking. witch one is the filter cutoff? not the one he plays with?
Ok so you reckon is just one osc. saw would have to be my first guess? Thats what I've had the best results with. But I have tryed with sylenth and diva and they both lack any real nice ''nocking'' sound at the start even with as much resonance as I can before it starts sound different. tal juno u-no plug in has given me the best go at getting the sound but it sounds to ''Lush'' and not bassy enough
The 2nd row from the right.
Top knob is the filter, bottom is the resonance.
I could try to make the same sound at home cause I got an actual one
@ OP: I agree, a simple synth bass, carefully programmed (like instructed above), well mixed, perhaps went through expensive outboard. Bass sounds, in particualr, will usually sound better with a real VCO synth though.
its not a complicated sound - you need to learn to tweak a few controls to get what you want.
Optical is right - you can do this with 1 or 2 Osc. Saw or square will give you a slightly different result - try both.
The key is a combination of the following:
Set the cutoff of the filter quite closed - anywhere from 0 to 30% open
Try about 40% resonance
play with the Envelope->Filter amount...try 50% to start
finally set the Filter envelope like this. A(0)D(4)S(0)R(2) (values out of 10)
The funky bass sound has a muted characteristic due to having a closed filter cutoff - which is quickly moved by the envelope-but not too far (env amount).
You need to play with the above values and as you do you will start to hear the sound you are looking for. Make a MIDI sequence and tweak away...
Ok thanks I am going to give these settings a shot. the filter and envelope are pretty much what I had. lets hope I can get it soon
I could try to make the same sound at home cause I got an actual one
OK cheers thats letting me see right into the settings. I would love to hear what you can get on your DE.
Im going to try some settings you guys have given me today. Maybe ill ditch Diva for this one and try ms-20 or sylenth (witch I don't think as the solidness to make this sound). I feel like it is a easy sound to make and I get the sound ok but its the characteristics of these basslines that make them stand out for me and thats what Im not getting.
If you guys can think of anything in particular to add please let me know. Detuning? (dont think so sounds shitty when I tried)
The sound you want is a single square wave. try minimoog-model on diva. this one is a really basic sound.
Hey mate.
Are you able to upload an example of what you can do on Diva or anything else. Everyones comments have reiterated how easy this is. Wish I could say the same as Im stuck and would love to hear what other people can come up with. Im still struggling to find the sweet spot but Im slowly getting there I think.
Are you able to upload an example of what you can do on Diva or anything else. Everyones comments have reiterated how easy this is. Wish I could say the same as Im stuck and would love to hear what other people can come up with. Im still struggling to find the sweet spot but Im slowly getting there I think.
Like this??
Like already said, it's definetely not FM (Facepalm at whoever said that, there again the last example is a Saw wave bass and is reminiscent of the classic FM Bass sound)
And also like said, it's very simple to make, it's really the filtering that's important, in particular the filter envelopes, then you can make the sound with any waveform or any bass sound.
Like already said, it's definetely not FM (Facepalm at whoever said that, there again the last example is a Saw wave bass and is reminiscent of the classic FM Bass sound)
And also like said, it's very simple to make, it's really the filtering that's important, in particular the filter envelopes, then you can make the sound with any waveform or any bass sound.
This was just knocked up in Minimonsta.
Yeah thats it. Nice work Cabrone thanks for that post, digging the soundcloud page.
Filtering ENV and playing the length of notes correctly are what Im struggling with. Still trying to get a nice mix but this is a little piece of what I've got. Not the greatest at synthesis yet but Im trying.
Anyone else wanna have a shot??.. come on, can't be any worst
there are 10 solutions for yr problem already, theres even a picture for you! but i'll give it another go
(same thing as posted by many many people above, but a bit differently explained, )
get a sawtooth waveform
and get another one an octave higher
but this should be a bit lower in volume (try different settings for yr taste).
filter these 2 wveforms down until what you hear is
almost like a sine wave
then!
modulate the filter with an envelope!
very short attack, short /mid decay, very little sustain, and longish release.
tweak those settings till you find what you've been looking for.
if you want it to be a bit more heavy, then add saturation to taste.
voila.
there are 10 solutions for yr problem already, theres even a picture for you! but i'll give it another go
(same thing as posted by many many people above, but a bit differently explained, )
get a sawtooth waveform
and get another one an octave higher
but this should be a bit lower in volume (try different settings for yr taste).
filter these 2 wveforms down until what you hear is
almost like a sine wave
then!
modulate the filter with an envelope!
very short attack, short /mid decay, very little sustain, and longish release.
tweak those settings till you find what you've been looking for.
if you want it to be a bit more heavy, then add saturation to taste.
voila.
Yeah for sure the feedback has been a massive help. Hope posting a example of what Ive been working would be a good way to appreciate everyones help, plus get any feedback. maybe was getting to court up on aiming for the ridiculously perfect sound witch was stalling me from messing around more with the sound and gradually getting something that sounds good, then think about the perfection settings.
Im going to try and mess with a filter like you said. Ive been going with one saw and a Pulse type wave. Two saws sound way to chunky and makes to much of a groaning type sound?
Would you say there are any particular settings that set the last track apart from the rest. my understanding is that they and are the same but has a lot more drive and less filter resonance and is defiantly a couple of saw waves? I feel it has has less sheen over the top of it, but my attempt just lack any nice vibrant characteristics. Sorry only way I can think to describe
Would you say there are any particular settings that set the last track apart from the rest. my understanding is that they and are the same but has a lot more drive and less filter resonance and is defiantly a couple of saw waves?
it might be different, cause they might have used a different synth wich has different filter caracteristics. and the settings differ a bit too!
i think you can have Juno, Jupiter and Ms20 filters in Diva, try each, listen wich one you like the best!
dont try to make the exact bass, make one wich fits best to YOUR tune!
one thing: if you add a pulse wave for the bottom end, it will be more agressive and raw sounding. one or two saws will make the trick, just make sure you set the levels right!
one thing: if you add a pulse wave for the bottom end, it will be more agressive and raw sounding. one or two saws will make the trick, just make sure you set the levels right!
Just found I needed to play around with the different volumes between the oscillators more. Lower one at a heaps lower value.
I haven't crafted anything I like In Diva yet!!! who knows if its just me or the instrument. But it always feels a little underdone. I've been using the Arturia Mini Moog V the last few days and getting a much better result. Pretty much on the money. I can also get it to sound more like the last example but is missing the hissing/wobbling/wonkiness of the sound. Just need to figure out the difference between the last track and the first few. What is the key to that anyone? Is it the vibrato settings?.. I'm not sure, I don't think it is because I've been playing with it but doesn't seem just it!!
I might move on to FM8 to emulate its any. any easier FM synth though I'm not so sure I can just go to FM8 and nut out a sound
I got it with the mini moog. Thanks for the help, thinking about the sound a little differentially + Getting the FM thoughts out of my head, like I cant do it because I don't have any FM instruments, stop at this point. I know it sounds a little dumb but its that kind of 'I cant do this, its to over my head' thought that really limits me not my actual knowledge of the subject. most amateurs thoughts when starting out I guess.
Seriously get a SoundCloud account, all those share sites are fishy and ad-laden as hell.
Or upload the mp3 (if it's small enough) as an attachment to your post, you'll save everyone and yourself the misery.
As for FM: I consider it a last resort kind of thing. Not that it's not fun to do stuff in there, it's more that unless the sound exhibits specific FM-like traits, I'm going to choose analog modeling first.
As for FM: I consider it a last resort kind of thing. Not that it's not fun to do stuff in there, it's more that unless the sound exhibits specific FM-like traits, I'm going to choose analog modeling first.
Yeah your right I don't have the capability to sit there and use FM. I've been messing about with FM8 a bit for the last few weeks but haven't really been able to get along with it as much as subtractive synths.
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