Why should anyone purchase a Jupiter-50/80, since the Integra-7 is available, offering much more sound power for a much lower price with:
- A fully-fledged and fully programmable SuperNATURAL Synth engine (same as on the JP-50/80 but with more, new and enhanced SuperNATURAL acoustic models and more PCM Waves in the SuperNATURAL VA-Synth section and dedicated e-piano amp models, which are all missing on the JP-50/80)...
- A fully-fledged and fully programmable Fantom-X/G/XV-5080 PCM Synth engine plus ALL SRX sounds...
- The Roland V-Drums...
- Roland's "Motional Surround" system...
- 16 parts on 16 MIDI channels (JP-80 offers only 10 parts on 4 MIDI channels)...
Why should anyone keep their Jupiter-50/80 instead of selling it for one or two (for 256 voices) Integra-7 modules?
Is Roland Corporation self-destroying the value and significance of their own Jupiter series with the release of the Integra-7, rendering the JP-50/80 obeselete and outdated?
The Jupiter 85/50 are performance synths. The Intergra 7 doesn't have the arps and other performance functions.
Yes, but those are just the categorizations and words used by the Roland's marketing people.
With a good MIDI Controller like the Roland A-90 or the new A-88 and A-49, offering a dedicated SuperNATURAL mode, created for the Integra-7, the I-7 can serve as a performance tool as well, as shown in the following video clips:
Why should anyone purchase a Jupiter-50/80, since the Integra-7 is available, offering much more sound power for a much lower price with:
- A fully-fledged and fully programmable SuperNATURAL Synth engine (same as on the JP-50/80 but with more, new and enhanced SuperNATURAL acoustic models and more PCM Waves in the SuperNATURAL VA-Synth section and dedicated e-piano amp models, which are all missing on the JP-50/80)...
- A fully-fledged and fully programmable Fantom-X/G/XV-5080 PCM Synth engine plus ALL SRX sounds...
- The Roland V-Drums...
- Roland's "Motional Surround" system...
- 16 parts on 16 MIDI channels (JP-80 offers only 10 parts on 4 MIDI channels)...
Why should anyone keep their Jupiter-50/80 instead of selling it for one or two (for 256 voices) Integra-7 modules?
Is Roland Corporation self-destroying the value and significance of their own Jupiter series with the release of the Integra-7, rendering the JP-50/80 obeselete and outdated?
You could equally ask why should anyone with kontakt fully loaded with goodies, trillian for basses, etc etc - should buy something like the integra-7 for his studio. Heck, a NI komplete 8 costs about 1/4 of what an integra-7 costs, and it puts it to shame - sample wise and synth wise.
The integra-7 seems like a huge collection of old sounds (pcm in 2012? wtf?!), along with a few new ones.
Wow. Was thinking of getting a used V-Synth XT but I think this might fill my last 2U. Can sit right on top of my JD990 and I can also sell off the RD700 as well. Or give it to the kids.
Of course I'll wait six months or a year or so for the inevitable price drop and/or used models to show up. But then if I'm going to spend this kind of money maybe I should get a Motif XF6 or Kronos 61. Wonder if Korg will make a cheaper Kronos rack now? The fact it's a rack is very desriable. Don't need another keyboard taking up space if I can help it.
Would have been nice if Roland could have put all the V-Synth engines and effects in as well.
looks like a great bit of reliable hardware, no latency issues or monster pc needed.
As the Integra-7 uses the same SuperNATURAL engine as the JP-50/80, the latency is very probably and unfortunately still an issue, if you overload the 16 Integra-7 parts with SuperNATURAL-Tones instead of using sounds from the PCM synth engine.
The JP-80's SN-Tone engine's latency problems become clearly audible by using a percussive sound with a lot of SN-Tone layers at a time. This occuring latency behaviour of the JP-80, by using a lot of SN-Tones at a time, is even described in the official user manual/parameter guide...
But who knows (and future will tell)? Maybe the Integra-7 doesn't have the latency problems with its SuperNATURAL engine, as the JP-80 unfortunately does, which would make the "new" Jupiter series even more obsolete after the Integra-7 release...
-It has a different FX setup. 2 insert per ch.
-All fantom sounds are old.
-Using midi is never fun
- No keyboard obviously
- No Color touchscreen
- needs an ipad
- The motional surround is very new, not proven yet (at least to my ears)
- Its more expensive than the JP-50.
- No sampling.
Wow. Was thinking of getting a used V-Synth XT but I think this might fill my last 2U.
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Would have been nice if Roland could have put all the V-Synth engines and effects in as well.
Hmmm...big decisions when it comes to big money.
I've owned both JP-80 and V-synth. They are completely different. The V-Synths synthesis engine destroys the JP-80. Of course the JP-80 has more natural sounds and more polyphony. It also has cleaner FX. The V-synth still has more FX and more modulations. I really do wish they'd include the V-synth engine so I can transfer my patches to an Integra-7 or JP-80/50 though. I can't say one is better however. Sold my JP-80, kept V-synth because of programming options and harder synth sounds.
Of course I'll wait six months or a year or so for the inevitable price drop and/or used models to show up
I dunno... the SonicCell and Bk7ms... and used ancient SC88s for that matter... are still way high as ever. Doubt the Integra prices will go anywhere south any time in the next couple of years.
Also, I'm sure you guys realize that the modules like the old SonicCell, bk7m and now Integra FAR outsell ANY other synth/keyboard etc product that Roland makes. It's a huge market out there for the Roland boxes with live players when looked at worldwide.
That said, I'll probably get one for my studio too.
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You could equally ask why should anyone with kontakt fully loaded with goodies, trillian for basses, etc etc - should buy something like the integra-7 for his studio. Heck, a NI komplete 8 costs about 1/4 of what an integra-7 costs, and it puts it to shame - sample wise and synth wise.
The integra-7 seems like a huge collection of old sounds (pcm in 2012? wtf?!), along with a few new ones.
I have komplete 8 ultimate,it doesn't put my 5080 to same at.
You could equally ask why should anyone with kontakt fully loaded with goodies, trillian for basses, etc etc - should buy something like the integra-7 for his studio. Heck, a NI komplete 8 costs about 1/4 of what an integra-7 costs, and it puts it to shame - sample wise and synth wise...
Yes indeed, you can ask this question, which is an appropriate one. But then, you also have to add the costs for a proper hardware, in order to run Native Instrument's Komplete-8, if you want to make a valid comparison! People claiming the lower costs of software often forget this crucial point...
For half the price of the Intergra 7 you could get a good PC and have enough money for plugs.
My PC cost around $1500 and can handle pretty much any plug, but I have hardware so I don't use that many plugs other than PPG Wave 2.v and some effects.
A good PC + a copy of Reason leaves you far better off than getting an Intergra 7 and using a crappy PC. And you'd have enough money for some other gear as well.
Yes indeed, you can ask this question, which is an appropriate one. But then, you also have to add the costs for a proper hardware, in order to run Native Instrument's Komplete-8, if you want to make a valid comparison! People claiming the lower costs of software often forget this crucial point...
Of course you are correct. But let's face it: most of us (if not all of us) got a computer anyway. So that's the starting point for most of us. And from that point of view it harder to justify something like the integra-7 in a studio context.
For half the price of the Intergra 7 you could get a good PC and have enough money for plugs.
My PC cost around $1500 and can handle pretty much any plug, but I have hardware so I don't use that many plugs other than PPG Wave 2.v and some effects.
A good PC + a copy of Reason leaves you far better off than getting an Intergra 7 and using a crappy PC. And you'd have enough money for some other gear as well.
Do you even know the specs of his PC, or are you just making an absurd comment to show everyone what a genius you are?
Re: Integra.
Personally, I think this puts Roland back on the map a little bit, as the Jupiters don't have a price/benefit ratio worth considering. The technology is bound to trickle down and eventually we'll probably see a "Juno-SN" (as in SuperNatural) for 699.00 at our local music store.
But I'm still not considering it, I've played the Jupiter-50 in a store and the synth sounds were too rompler-like and lifeless to me.
Of course you are correct. But let's face it: most of us (if not all of us) got a computer anyway. So that's the starting point for most of us. And from that point of view it harder to justify something like the integra-7 in a studio context.
Of course most people with a job and a home, living in industrial countries, own a PC or Mac. But as you know, a professional DAW setup, capable of running several resources hungry high-end Plugins at a time, offering adequate power, memory and low latency, plus a good high-end DA/AD converter, will cost you more than your average PC, which you use for the internet, games, etc.
But those people (like myself), who have such a professional DAW setup (plus plenty of soft- and hardware), will finally not consider an Integra-7 for studio use. But nevertheless, I had some GAS for some time after the first Integra-7 announcement...
I think the Integra-7, which is less expensive than a JP-50 (at least in my country) but more powerful, will be purchased by a lot of musicians, who cannot afford a JP-50/80 or don't need another keyboard, but just need a portable module, offering all the necessary bread&butter sounds (and much more) in a pristine quality with unrivaled expressiveness.
I am quite sure, Jupiter-50/80 sales will therefore drop drastically, due to the Integra-7 release...
Of course most people with a job and a home, living in industrial countries, own a PC or Mac. But as you know, a professional DAW setup, capable of running several resources hungry high-end Plugins at a time, offering adequate power, memory and low latency, plus a good high-end DA/AD converter, will cost you more than your average PC, which you use for the internet, games,
Oh please, give me some credit. I meant DAW systems, and i thought it's obvious in an electronic music production forum.
So let me rephrase. Most people and/or studios that produce music - wether a small home studio or a large professional one - has DAW. And i bet no one bought a DAW just for a specific plugin - nor does anyone buy a new pc each time he buys a new plugin.
So if the integra-7 is marketed mainly as a studio instrument, and most - if not all studios - has DAW, what's the point of this sound module (specially at this price point)?
...So if the integra-7 is marketed mainly as a studio instrument, and most - if not all studios - has DAW, what's the point of this sound module (specially at this price point)?
As I've already said, the point of the Integra-7 is in my view not studio use, but the use as a portable and powerful synth module, respectively as a main performance tool.
Roland's marketing folks may tell you the contrary, but I think Roland's marketing department does a terrible job, missing the real world out there, as they have proven with the bad JP-80 marketing strategy or their over hyped announcement of the Jupiter Legacy Collection, which is finally just a set of 110 new sounds, which they call "the preservation of their rich synth history of 40 years"...
I would not spend 2k for something that has to be played with a midi keyboard because no matter what you do there will be latency. The keyboard on the Jupiters are really crappy. Small keys and kind of cheapish.
Overall, I like the sound of the Jupiter synths and some of the Supernatural sounds but with decent sample libraries this is just duplicating them and in many cases not quite as well.
The best Roland Keyboard is the V-Piano of the RN700. They have a nice keybed with faux ivory feel keys and a really nice sound for a digital piano.
But I will say this here, I have a Nord Stage EX loaded with the top of the line Nord Piano sounds.
At this point I am thoroughly convinced that the way forward is a real piano. I have been a pianist for a long time and I have always played real pianos until recently. Though the digital pianos have gotten better and sound ok in a mix, in the end, nothing beats the real thing.
This is true with subtractive synthesis too. What does sound great in digital is the type of synth sounds that were invented in digital. Those require digital synths and analogue instruments can't do it.
So, I'll pass on this. Also, having sold a Super Jupiter years ago for pennies on the dollar (they were decidedly unpopular for a time there) I am not going back to Roland synths just yet.
As I've already said, the point of the Integra-7 is in my view not studio use, but the use as a portable and powerful synth module, respectively as a main performance tool.
Roland's marketing folks may tell you the contrary, but I think Roland's marketing department does a terrible job, missing the real world out there, as they have proven with the bad JP-80 marketing strategy or their over hyped announcement of the Jupiter Legacy Collection, which is finally just a set of 110 new sounds, which they call "the preservation of their rich synth history of 40 years"...
With only 64 user studio sets available, Integra is TERRIBLE for live usage. Studio Sets is the only place where you can do splits and layers between completely different patches (so, like combi on Korg and setup on Kurzweil). And Roland stupidly skimps on memory in 2012. Fvkin ridiculous.
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