Just give it a rest already. Can we just get back on topic?
Now. Sh101 or 303 - what do you think is better for Goa?
For Goa? 303 bass 101 lead. Personally id say I would like to hear more FM synths in Psy/Goa, but maybe I just havent been able to pick out the sound yet.
I know I love using FM8 and Sytrus for nice background soundscapes. I need to get hardware :/ 101 and DX7 is on my list after a modular!
Nice track by The Delta posted earlier; always one of my favorite trance artists from the old school... search for The Delta on beatport now, you'll find the same guy doing very dark, heady techno... it's quite good IMO
__________________ wow another thread with synth nerds not enjoying pop music who would have thought
Nice track by The Delta posted earlier; always one of my favorite trance artists from the old school... search for The Delta on beatport now, you'll find the same guy doing very dark, heady techno... it's quite good IMO
Good old Simon Posford! He was the main reason I bought an sh101! Most of his acid lines are 101 by the way. 303 was his lead in the Loin sleeps tonight if I remember correctly... 101 I found out is much more of a part of goatrance than 303 ever was. Not only bas and leads but blips and blops and lots of fx were from 101 as well...
I get what teenagers think about new psytrance. Sounds are still fresh for them. I still do play at some big festivals (which also has nearly nothing to do with the goa party concept), so I can see for myself. I used to organize parties, dj, make deco... I was a full blown intergalactic fluoro funkster BUT, psytrance doesnt cut it for me anymore, because of the same sounds and same compositions. Yes they are crazy sounds, but when you hear the same crazy sound or a little variation of it, it doesnt sound psychedelic anymore. The same arrangement also does not help! Hence todays psytrance does not sound psychedelic to me. I even have to run away from the high tempo, so called darkpsy. It is like death metal, with its band and track names, album covers and all, and it is NOT dark at all. You can scare people who are high on psychedelics with screeching sounds and sinister samples, but it doesnt resonate deeply. Whereas delta was dark or does anyone remember Cydonia? Dark was for the night, for reaching out the darkest spots of our soul and with the sun the music would turn around and we would reach for the light. Its a full blown hippie dream believe me. It sounds cheesy but I am proud to have been a part of it. I had the best times of my life on those small, weird parties Today, at the festivals, everyone has the dreads, the samey clothes, everyone looks like a goa freak and that is also so stereotypical. What I loved about this scene was it was all weird and original. The sounds, the people the deco! now recycled so much it all became stereotypical...
Anyways I still have hundreds of goa cds and hundreds of goa vinyl which I rarely play but when I do it takes me to those parties and great times not to places I was travelling in my mind back then...
Good old Simon Posford! He was the main reason I bought an sh101! Most of his acid lines are 101 by the way. 303 was his lead in the Loin sleeps tonight if I remember correctly... 101 I found out is much more of a part of goatrance than 303 ever was. Not only bas and leads but blips and blops and lots of fx were from 101 as well...
I get what teenagers think about new psytrance. Sounds are still fresh for them. I still do play at some big festivals (which also has nearly nothing to do with the goa party concept), so I can see for myself. I used to organize parties, dj, make deco... I was a full blown intergalactic fluoro funkster BUT, psytrance doesnt cut it for me anymore, because of the same sounds and same compositions. Yes they are crazy sounds, but when you hear the same crazy sound or a little variation of it, it doesnt sound psychedelic anymore. The same arrangement also does not help! Hence todays psytrance does not sound psychedelic to me. I even have to run away from the high tempo, so called darkpsy. It is like death metal, with its band and track names, album covers and all, and it is NOT dark at all. You can scare people who are high on psychedelics with screeching sounds and sinister samples, but it doesnt resonate deeply. Whereas delta was dark or does anyone remember Cydonia? Dark was for the night, for reaching out the darkest spots of our soul and with the sun the music would turn around and we would reach for the light. Its a full blown hippie dream believe me. It sounds cheesy but I am proud to have been a part of it. I had the best times of my life on those small, weird parties Today, at the festivals, everyone has the dreads, the samey clothes, everyone looks like a goa freak and that is also so stereotypical. What I loved about this scene was it was all weird and original. The sounds, the people the deco! now recycled so much it all became stereotypical...
Anyways I still have hundreds of goa cds and hundreds of goa vinyl which I rarely play but when I do it takes me to those parties and great times not to places I was travelling in my mind back then...
You know, I do notice that alot of modern psy tracks have a bit more "angst" to them then older ones. Could be the culture or state of mind I suppose. Sometimes it is just nice to release inner anxiety into an angry sounding bassline
(...) BUT, psytrance doesnt cut it for me anymore, because of the same sounds and same compositions. Yes they are crazy sounds, but when you hear the same crazy sound or a little variation of it, it doesnt sound psychedelic anymore. The same arrangement also does not help! (...)
i agree with you on many points.
BUT, in my opinion, there was the same problems back in the so called 'golden age'.
i own myself a big collection of goa and psytrance vinyles from 1994 to 1998 and i can tell that most of them sounds exactly the same... very boring !
only some artists sound different... and i think it's the same story nowadays
you just have to seek what will fit your musical tastes.
off course there are many more producers now, so it's not quite easy to filter it.
in the another hand, we aren't 20 years old anymore... was the magic in the music or in our perception ?
only some artists sound different... and i think it's the same story nowadays
you just have to seek what will fit your musical tastes.
off course there are many more producers now, so it's not quite easy to filter it.
agree,it's the main problem to much releases with nothing that stand out.
But it's not really similar, the music was different, everything was different, it's like comparing the 70's to today.
i agree with you on many points.
BUT, in my opinion, there was the same problems back in the so called 'golden age'.
i own myself a big collection of goa and psytrance vinyles from 1994 to 1998 and i can tell that most of them sounds exactly the same... very boring !
only some artists sound different... and i think it's the same story nowadays
you just have to seek what will fit your musical tastes.
off course there are many more producers now, so it's not quite easy to filter it.
in the another hand, we aren't 20 years old anymore... was the magic in the music or in our perception ?
The problem is people hear something and go "cool I want do that!" and then they do it very well. It is very hard to get new ideas to be accepted, but it takes somebody with charisma and drive to do it. Specifically it is that gated Wishhy sound.
Can't wait till my Atari Punk Console is done, glitchy sounds are always cool and I do not hear enough of them outside of chiptunes.
"Simon popped round for a cuppa and did a live mix on the mixing desk. In the "olden days" before making everything inside a computer people would make their sequenced mix then put everything on a loop and make a live mix on the analogue mixing desk twisting the FX and EQ's, playing the desk like an instrument……this was a trick learnt from the days of Youth's Butterfly Studios….. Simon P., Ott and Greg Hunter were masters of this."
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BUT, psytrance doesnt cut it for me anymore, because of the same sounds and same compositions. Yes they are crazy sounds, but when you hear the same crazy sound or a little variation of it, it doesnt sound psychedelic anymore. The same arrangement also does not help! Hence todays psytrance does not sound psychedelic to me. I even have to run away from the high tempo, so called darkpsy. It is like death metal, with its band and track names, album covers and all, and it is NOT dark at all. You can scare people who are high on psychedelics with screeching sounds and sinister samples, but it doesnt resonate deeply. Whereas delta was dark or does anyone remember Cydonia? Dark was for the night, for reaching out the darkest spots of our soul and with the sun the music would turn around and we would reach for the light. Its a full blown hippie dream believe me. It sounds cheesy but I am proud to have been a part of it. I had the best times of my life on those small, weird parties 
Today, at the festivals, everyone has the dreads, the samey clothes, everyone looks like a goa freak and that is also so stereotypical. What I loved about this scene was it was all weird and original. The sounds, the people the deco! now recycled so much it all became stereotypical...
