!ATTENTION!: Video comparing DIVA to Juno 60 Directly!

[javd007]

Surprised nobody has viewed this

[jspitza]

Originally Posted by javd007

I know many of you wanted this. I did a comparsion between Diva and my new in box juno 60. The Juno is basically a brand new synth. It sat in the box for almost 30 years. Thats another story. The comparison was not recorded with the direct outs unfortunately, however both the juno and diva are playing through the same speakers. Nevertheless it is a controlled comparison.
Thoughts:

1. diva is the best soft synth i have ever heard. Period.

2. Its damn near exact to my juno

3. It is not 100 percent but about 90 percent close to the genuine article

4. It brings new meaning to Cpu hog. I have a serious system and it still eats up serious resourced

5. The chorus section on Diva is great. Not exact to the Junos' but again 90 percent of the way. Tal u kno chorus could be used

6. It is the only soft synth id ever use

7. I think if U-HE has more money and resources, they'd make a perfect 1:1 recreation

8. The future will bring serious emulation for people who cant afford real analogs

9. give me a serial UHE!!!!

Your thoughts?

U he diva compared to a Juno 60 - YouTube

Absolutely fantastic work! Yes, very close indeed but the Juno looks way cooler.........Software has come a long way!

[atma]

that video made me motion sick—couldn't handle it. i'd like to see a comparison with the TAL synth in the mix as well; i think it may even be closer than the diva emulation.

[javd007]

Yea, I was surprised. But yes the Juno looks great haha. In fact I think the Juno 6/60 and prophet 5 are the best looking synths of all time. Anyway diva is great. If someone wants a great soft synth buy Diva! I had to hold the camera and play give me a break!!!!! Lol this is audio, close your eyes!

[omsk]

nice work!

[Ambience]

Juno is way better

(goes to uhe.com, looks both ways secretly to make sure no one is looking, purchases DIVA and feels ashamed) lol

Make pad sounds though! ^_^

[rasmus]

i still think there is an obvious difference in sound, listening on macbook speakers... the diva sounds way brighter and stiffer. tho this is not as bad as the jp8 vs. ion video i saw earlier in another threat
as long as i can hear a difference on the worst speakers around, i wouldn't even call it close. they might share some similarities, but a ferrari and a vw do share some as well.

[javd007]

Originally Posted by rasmus

i still think there is an obvious difference in sound, listening on macbook speakers... the diva sounds way brighter and stiffer. tho this is not as bad as the jp8 vs. ion video i saw earlier in another threat
as long as i can hear a difference on the worst speakers around, i wouldn't even call it close. they might share some similarities, but a ferrari and a vw do share some as well.

As I've said it's not perfect. But it's the closest I've heard. Not to mention diva has no physical knobs, monetary value etc...

[DesolationBlvd]

It's not that close, especially because the DCO in Diva is based on the Alpha Juno with the extra waveforms. And of course, the chorus is wider on the real Juno.

[Teknobeam]

Interesting post, and good information from the real world. I had a similar experience with the Creamware stuff...and in fact feature wise it was far superior, but i still gravitate to the old school apparition. But that's only because I can. When all the smoke clears tactile interface and that tangible factor of a monolithic beast that you can turn on with the flick of a switch without having to fire up a PC or a Mac.etc...etc.. All of these things add up on one side of the equation. I'm sure feature wise the Diva blows the Juno out of the water...but some other attributes it can never satisfy. So...it's about what is important to any one individual and their workflow / setup

[javd007]

Originally Posted by Teknobeam

Interesting post, and good information from the real world. I had a similar experience with the Creamware stuff...and in fact feature wise it was far superior, but i still gravitate to the old school apparition. But that's only because I can. When all the smoke clears tactile interface and that tangible factor of a monolithic beast that you can turn on with the flick of a switch without having to fire up a PC or a Mac.etc...etc.. All of these things add up on one side of the equation. I'm sure feature wise the Diva blows the Juno out of the water...but some other attributes it can never satisfy. So...it's about what is important to any one individual and their workflow / setup

On the money

[Gil missFlag]

Pity you didn't record the audio properly... But even through the camera mic, they sound very different to me. Also, static waveform sounds are much easier to emulate than sounds with modulation/filter sweeps. Not that it matters - use whatever inspires you to make good music!

[Polarelch]

Thanks for this video!

Juno definitely has more "earth". Diva *is* the best soft synth though.
However, softsynths won't ever be able to replace the sexiness and beauty of hardware synths, and the Juno shines there too.

[Puzzlegob]

You weren't wrong about that Juno being mint! Damn nice!

The juno sounded a little brighter, but friggin' close. Nothing that a little EQ couldn't close the gap.

Kinda torn because I'm a U-He AND Roland fanboy! Happy to call it a draw!

[satak]

Nice video, sure there are differences, quite big actually. Would be nice to hear TAL-U-NO-LX vs Juno 60. I think I'll someday do a similar comparison video with my JP6.

[Synth Buddha]

You make synth comparison video and use the camera's mic to record the audio?

[tonnu]

dude .. this is a real fail
50% of what i hear is the room and your pc fan running
booh

[yourmajesty]

my love for diva grew after this.. might i ask what your computer specs are?

[tonnu]

and maybe it's the programming but the diva is way off

[xanax]

Originally Posted by Gil missFlag

Pity you didn't record the audio properly... But even through the camera mic, they sound very different to me. Also, static waveform sounds are much easier to emulate than sounds with modulation/filter sweeps.

this... the filters on those old roland are very unique and a big part of the sound, would have been nice to see how diva compares on filter sweeps & high resonance settings..

[goldphinga]

not even close to the Juno..

[cresshead]

it's not the same...but software is a cheaper alternative, it's abit like buying a good elvis impersonator...it's not "ELVIS" but it's affordable!..and sounds like elvis if you don't concentrate too hard!

[szf]

No offence, but if it's so damn near exact, I'd recommend you sell your analog synths to people who can appreciate the difference.

[Ninja_Edit]

I think the Diva actually sound better in some tests.

Why use digital to emulate analogue? Why not just let digital do what it does best?

[kraze]

The test is way too simple - basic oscillator tones. Diva does oscillators rather well (save for missing "brilliance" - can be heard even in that youtube video) but try adding some modulation/filter sweeping. That's where the main difference should be.

[javd007]

Originally Posted by kraze

The test is way too simple - basic oscillator tones. Diva does oscillators rather well (save for missing "brilliance" - can be heard even in that youtube video) but try adding some modulation/filter sweeping. That's where the main difference should be.

This ^ and it's also emulating a dco Juno not a complicated p5 or cs80. Pc fan is not running, my computer us silent. My computer is a Mac pro 8 core with 12gb of ram and 4 tb hdd.

[CalvaryBand]

In the end, if you think the only thing analog has over software is sound quality, it's all moot. Software can get there. Aalto sounds bloody brilliant as well as Diva.

I will keep all my analogs because not only do they sound great, I don't have to deal with a computer to get them that way. And in this day and age, when you need to use a computer (of some form) to do basically anything on a modern level, this is priceless.

Originally Posted by szf

No offence, but if it's so damn near exact, I'd recommend you sell your analog synths to people who can appreciate the difference.

Yeah.

[javd007]

Originally Posted by szf

No offence, but if it's so damn near exact, I'd recommend you sell your analog synths to people who can appreciate the difference.

Ugh no. You did not get my point. it's close, close. That's all. I don't use software at all. I've never used a vst, and won't.

[szf]

Originally Posted by javd007

Ugh no. You did not get my point. it's close, close. That's all. I don't use software at all. I've never used a vst, and won't.

Ok, to be fair I was also impressed by some softsynths initially, but there will always be something missing.. Cos as soon as a 100% perfect emulation exists the industry has killed itself.. Welcome to to joys of suppressed technology/progress.
By the way you have great music on yt.. any releases planned..