Would you guys recommend selling a synthesizer on eBay?

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[Franc]

Is it just me or do the synths on ebay in the US seem to be not moving as well as in the past? The economy is pretty bad. It seems like a lot of stuff is cheaper and a lot of stuff is getting no bids.

The really good stuff is less affected but it seems like a lot of eBay synth items are not getting many bids. it seems like a buyer's market. ???

[Underwater]

eBay is a cesspool full of scammers. I wouldn't sell a wooden nickle on eBay.

[Teknobeam]

Originally Posted by Underwater

eBay is a cesspool full of scammers. I wouldn't sell a wooden nickle on eBay.

So...you can't navigate that? life can sometimes be a cesspool...why let that stop you.

[skira]

Originally Posted by Deleted Userc

Well, same goes to you. You can stick to ebay not being an ONLINE AUCTION SALES MONOPOLY ON THE NET all you want and repeat it over and over, but you have not provided with any link to their serious competion

.

You made the claim, and YOU have failed to support it aside from repeating it over and over. eBay is on oligopoly not a monopoly. Amtrak is a monopoly. Basic Econ 101 stuff, but you don't get it or want to get it.

eBay was sued for violating the Sherman antitrust Act in 2007. The case was thrown out.

At the heart of this lawsuit, filed in April 2007, was
Plaintiffs' allegation that eBay's acquisition of PayPal
allowed eBay to charge higher fees than they otherwise
would have been able to charge. The case eventually turned
on Plaintiffs' ability to actually come forward with proof
of the injury that they claimed to have suffered.

Proof of injury became a central issue litigated in both
Plaintiffs' Motion to Certify a Class and eBay's Motion
for Summary Judgment. Plaintiffs' class certification
motion, filed two and a half years into the case,
disclaimed having to prove that they suffered injury,
arguing instead that they simply needed to come forward
with a plausible methodology capable of proving injury.
eBay's opposition to the class certification motion
challenged the quantum of proof necessary to establish
class-wide injury; as did eBay's motion for summary
judgment, which challenged, among other things,
Plaintiffs' ability to prove causal antitrust injury. With
both sets of briefing engaged in a debate regarding proof
of injury, Plaintiffs, in their opposition to eBay's
Motion for Summary Judgment, relied upon the arguments and
supporting expert report that they put forward in their
class certification papers. In granting eBay's Motion for
Summary Judgment, the court observed that the case raised
the novel issue of how to measure antitrust injury in a
two-sided market. Plaintiffs argued that they should be
allowed to prove that eBay's fees were "too high." eBay,
on the other hand, argued that harm to the plaintiffs
could only be found if their profits on the sale of items
using its website had been suppressed. The court chose not
to resolve the novel issue, simply assuming that
Plaintiffs had put forward the right measure of injury.

Even making that assumption, the court found that
Plaintiffs had failed to raise a triable issue of fact.
Plaintiffs' expert, relied upon in both their class
certification motion and their opposition to eBay's
summary judgment motion, offered two different models to
measure antitrust damages, but both models contained fatal
flaws. Judge Fogel rejected the first model, a
dominant-firm model entry deterrence with network
externalities, because Plaintiffs' expert failed to show
that the model actually worked in practice and was
supported by data. The court rejected the second model, a
reduced-form treatment effects regression model, as being
too "indefinite and speculative" and relying on circular
logic. Because Plaintiffs relied on models that were
unsupported by sufficient data, the court granted summary
judgment in favor of eBay and dismissed the Plaintiffs'
motion for class certification as moot.

The court was willing to test the Plaintiffs' proof and
look beyond mathematical models to determine whether the
alleged anticompetitive behavior made the Plaintiffs worse
off. Ultimately, the ruling shows that methodology without
proof is insufficient to support an antitrust action and
that defendants can seize the initiative, even in consumer
class actions, by putting plaintiffs to their proof.

[Teknobeam]

Well..this talk about a monopoly almost sounds like sophomoric whining,,,, sometimes a monopoly can exist via a governmental advantage or infulence...but in this case...it's the wild wild west (internet)....all bets are off. Ebay exists there becasue it just "is" nobody is holding anyone else back from providing a competitive service that can compete with it or rival it. It's really the epitome of free enterprise. You can't argue with me on this.. there is no mr. internet making decisions from above

[Teknobeam]

Yet !........ but I predict that will be happening soon

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[ionian]

Originally Posted by Deleted Userc

And for the nth time, a couple years ago them ebay BOUGHT OUT their only potential competitor.


Let's just agree to disagree. You love them. Fine. IMO, **** ebay and their monopolic practices.

I know years ago I used to use Yahoo auctions as an alternative to Ebay. Whatever happened to them? Is that the competitor that you're talking about that was bought out?

Regards,
Frank

[skira]

Originally Posted by Deleted Userc

Do not even waste time citing legaloid crap.

Translation: You make an erroneous claim, repeat it over and over, then close your eyes to any and all contrary evidence (when you yourself provide none).

Thanks for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts.

[Gribs]

Originally Posted by SoonerBJJ

I took some satisfaction in him being out the $25 to overnight his check. That was for wasting my time.

He probably used a stolen credit card number. I had a person steal my name, credit card number, and home address to use to send some of those "Secret Shopping Spree" scam overnight mailings with counterfeit US Postal Service money orders inside (asking to cash the money order, keep $100 and wire the rest to some account in Hong Kong). All the mailings were sent from Washington, DC. I live in Minnesota. A couple of the mailings came back to me as undeliverable. That is how I learned what my stolen credit card number was used to send; I could see the charges to the US Post Office in DC, but not what was shipped.

[doulos30]

no

[spertia]

I have bought and sold tons of high-priced items over the years on ebay with relatively little trouble. You have to be careful on both ends and use common sense to protect yourself. I've had some problems here and there but haven't been badly burned (knock on wood).

I'm pretty sure that literally every item in my current studio came from ebay....

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[skira]

Originally Posted by Deleted Userc

Hey Frank, one of their most blantant kill the competition and let's perpetrate our hegemony no matter what cases was when they bought out overstock.com..

If anyone harbored any suspicions about your ignorance about ebay this should settle it: Overstock is not owned by ebay, never was. It is a publicly traded NASDAQ company. The top institutional holders own about 3 million shares, the top mutual funds close to half a million. Fairfax Financial owns 2.4 million shares.

NASDAQ:OSTK
About Overstock.com | Overstock.com: History, Careers and Contact Info

In other words you don't know what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by Deleted Userc

Why is it erroneous again? Right, because my claim is not equal to yours.

Your opinion erroneous because it's wrong. Wrong by definition, wrong according to law and court decisions, and unsupported by anything except uninformed animus, and wrong in the face of inconvenient, contrary facts.

Other than that you're batting a thousand.

[ionian]

Originally Posted by Deleted Userc

Hey Frank, one of their most blantant kill the competition and let's perpetrate our hegemony no matter what cases was when they bought out overstock.com.
That site was great, and perceived to slowly but surely becoming a "threat" to the ebay monopoly, so it was killed right away.
.

Wow - I wasn't aware that they bought out overstock.com. Amazing. I guess Yahoo auctions just faded away. Sadly, it's hard to start a competitor because the main product is people. If you don't have the people at the site, no one is going to sell there because there's no one to bid on your stuff. eBay has a stranglehold on people. It'd be near impossible to advertise a new auction site and get enough people to go to it, to make selling on it worthwhile.

Although I really wish someone would create a new auction site. I agree that's why eBay's fees are out of control - no competition.

Regards,
Frank

[skira]

Originally Posted by ionian

Wow - I wasn't aware that they bought out overstock.com.

They didn't.

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[skira]

Originally Posted by Deleted Userc

Don't be so naive you pitiful gearslutz free ebay lawyer.

Where did your garbage-dump show that they bought Overstock?

LOL. What crazy insults.

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[skira]

Um... you said they "bought out overstock.com"

But they didn't.

Then you said they "bought overstock.com's auction style business" and vomited up a copy/paste that said no such thing.

My God, you're as confusing as you are misinformed.

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[skira]

Originally Posted by Deleted Userc

I won't get into absurd rethorical tactics.

Or facts.

Originally Posted by Deleted Userc

You are not amusing at all. You are pathetic

Or able to maturely discuss a subject or support your own claims. Sigh.

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[seen-da-sizer]

Don't forget ebay does have a stake in Craigslist too. And they are trying to get them out of business for the past view years. I like ebay and use it often, but they need to be split into two companies. If there is not competition, there is no free market.

[maxxpower]

So I'm trying to sell the Juno Di for $400, is that a good price, or too expensive? Mind you my Juno Di is still fairly new(I bought in in February) and is in really good condition.

[skira]

Originally Posted by Deleted Userc

Focus, troll, focus! Here is the list, once again, of ebay rampant market monopolization behavior, DATA! Eat it all!

Aside from your repeated childish insults, you said eBay "bought out overstock.com"

But they didn't.

Then you said eBay "bought overstock.com's auction style business" and vomited up a copy/paste that said no such thing.

Actually you vomited it up twice now, and it doesn't support your assertion.

If you want to have a grown up discussion then please act like an adult and stop the nonsense.

[skira]

Originally Posted by maxxpower

So I'm trying to sell the Juno Di for $400, is that a good price, or too expensive? Mind you my Juno Di is still fairly new(I bought in in February) and is in really good condition.

A very fair price. I know someone selling one locally who is asking $500 (don't know what he'll settle for), but they regularly sell on eBay for $450-$550.