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Old 4th September 2012   #1
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Anyone used Funktion One Res 2's as studio monitors?

Just recently bought some Funktion One Res 2's as part of a sound system.

Usually use my Genelec 8040a as studio monitors for Dance music.

Was thinking of trying the Res 2's instead, interested to hear how they mix.

Has anyone used these or know of any pitfalls of using them?

Supposed there is only one way to find out and that's to try them!
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that i would call a huge monitoring system then! haha...

no sorry, i havent even heard a function one system in real live. How much did you pay if i may ask?

do you arrange partys in the UK? if so, which kind of music does your soundsystem play?

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not much help but someone else asked the same question a week ago, you're not alone in think about doing this... PS @ NeoHippy, the guy below is based in london, give him a pm if you're interested in his PA, serious house and techno.

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Just a bump to say I listened to my mix down on these yesterday. And I would say, yes you can use them for monitors providing you also have an accurate sub, because the res2s don't go low enough. Appart from that the mix (that I knew well on my near fields) translated near identically onto the PA. my studio monitors do have a little more detail, but the difference was marginal. I'd be happy to use Funktion1 res2s as main monitors (with sub). Even better if You also have the budget for a good near field 2.1 monitoring system
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It seems to me, you'll need a good (powerful, stable) amp and a big room.
It's strange to read that these are percieved as "bass light", since there's a big horn loaded driver in there. Could that be because it's underpowered?
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It seems to me, you'll need a good (powerful, stable) amp and a big room.
It's strange to read that these are percieved as "bass light", since there's a big horn loaded driver in there. Could that be because it's underpowered?
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well i was incorrect in saying they dont go low enough but the bass power down there isnt huge. more sub needed was the feeling i got
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Apologies I've caused some confusion here!

I had Goldenboy over yesterday to have a listen to my setup and to work on his new tune. Personally I don't think Res 2s can be beaten in terms of dynamics. Their efficiency means they can reproduce transients beautifully with the drivers never sounding stressed. Also, unlike a lot of other PA companies F1 are pretty purist about designing cabinets that don't need much or anything in the way of EQ. I think this is a pretty big factor in their sound as EQ to tends to inducing phasing which smears transients.

Anyway, Golden's tune came over great. We did both agree that the cabs, as I have them set up are a bit bass light. When I say bass light, I'm not talkin about an absence of bass, just not trouser flapping low note reproduction.

This isn't an issue with the F1 R2s per say, particularly as they're often just run as mid/tops (as in my setup) but to do with the complexities of horn loaded bass bins. Essentially horns are super efficient, often giving twice the SPL per watt of reflex bins. However they come with a drawback, which is that they have a very steep roll off beyond a frequency defined by the length of the horn, unlike reflex bins which roll off more gradually. This can be countered by either having bloody great horns, or lots and lots of them.

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SPL aside, it's often said that F1 horn subs tend not to sound that amazing when you've only got 3 or so per side compared to other subs. They shine better in big stacks (which is unsurprising because big events are more F1's market anyway).

As for my setup, I've got a pair of TCS-215 (turbosound) dual 15 inch bass bins, which are 'ok'. They're technically a great sounding cabinet, but they don't exactly leave a brown stain on your underpants playing sines at 40hz. Pleasing and accurate I would say. I've got some custom built horn loaded subs designed for the task which should be arriving any day now.

Reptil - it's very difficult to underpower F1 in this kind of setting, because it's all so damned efficient. 100 watts of power would be enough. In the PA world amplifier power matters far less than speaker efficiency. To increase SPL by 10db requires 10x the amplifier power! Basically you can't make an inefficient speaker loud by giving it more juice, it will just melt at the voltages required. With PA we tend to give each driver 2x more RMS watts from the amp than its RMS limit to prevent such a situation. Under powering is considered pretty much as dangerous for your drivers as overpowering - I've experienced first hand the nasties of driving amps too hand. A few months back some ****** DJ decided it would be sensible to turn everything up the max on the mixer... the amp produced DC current, melting a crossover inside a full range cab and blowing a compression driver... leaving the circuit fully open on that channel causing the amp to overheat and fail and take out the other stacks. Fortunately that was at the end of the night, and was not on my res2s.


To the op - I think Res 2s are excellent for mixing. But you definitely want a pair of mushy as **** floorstanders or the like for the opposite end of the spectrum!
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excellent, thanks for the explanation
yes underpowered is as bad as overpowered. square waves. smell of burning plastic ..
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excellent, thanks for the explanation
yes underpowered is as bad as overpowered. square waves. smell of burning plastic ..
and me devoting both days of my weekend to getting the speakers rewired for active for our next show... errgh!
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and me devoting both days of my weekend to getting the speakers rewired for active for our next show... errgh!
try having kids bro.
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pa speakers can be used.. are a good refference for the sound you might have in a club with the mix , but might lead to wrong conclusions because theese speakers are build to sound nice at high volumes but are usually not very detailed on low volumes.. F1 might be better here...Working on such volumes in the studio all the time tires your ears and with the smooth F1´s highs its possible that your mix will eat your ears off on not as good club systems..

beside of that the F1´ are closer to studio speakers than many other designs.. designed to be driven analog without extra conversions in the chain.. passive crossovers .. smooth membran materials

an option as the farfield fun monitor to impress customers.. for the details in the mix i would rather reffer to dedicated nearfields
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beside of that the F1´ are closer to studio speakers than many other designs.. designed to be driven analog without extra conversions in the chain.. passive crossovers .. smooth membran materials

an option as the farfield fun monitor to impress customers.. for the details in the mix i would rather reffer to dedicated nearfields

Designed to be driven analogue? C'est impossible! All the F1 gear is designed to be driven and controlled by digital amps and digital crossovers, both are pretty much a necessity. The crossovers have to be digital to have accurate delay times, necessitated by the use of horn loaded drivers, as the sound from each driver is delayed by the length of the horn.
F1 sell their own digital X-overs to go with their gear, which is basically rebranded DPA stuff.

Also all F1 specified amps generally have to be digital to deliver the wattage in the low end without the extreme weight. You can use traditional toroidal amps, and sometimes they are used in the low end, particularly by dub guys, but they generally weigh 45kg (thinking void inf 8). Imagine carrying 4 of them in a rack already weighing 10kg up a couple of flights of stairs!

You're definitely right about wanting a smaller speaker to compare to though. I say bookshelves or the like. Between the two you'd have pretty much the opposite ends of audio reproduction.
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Just an update to my initial question. I've had the Res 2's set up all week and have produced the best mixes i've ever made.

I feel like i am sitting inside of the track when mixing.

Tempted to hook up my F218 subs as well! Though the bass on the Res 2 is perfect for my environment.

Its good to know that the tracks will sound great on a P.A system so the confidence in the mix for a club environment is one of the main benefits.

Still flicking back to the Genelecs just to be on the safe side but all in all very happy with the results.
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