Which samplers, synths and sequencers were used in mid nineties jungle
Which samplers sequencers and synths did artists like remarc, ricochet and a guy called gerald use to make their amen break mash ups that comprised early jungle music? I'm asking because I bought a korg triton recently and quickly realised that it was completely incapable of making sample based jungle beats.
Which samplers sequencers and synths did artists like remarc, ricochet and a guy called gerald use to make their amen break mash ups that comprised early jungle music? I'm asking because I bought a korg triton recently and quickly realised that it was completely incapable of making sample based jungle beats.
They used akai samplers.
Get a laptop and sell the triton. You don't need much for jungle.
DAW, loops, cut them up, add bass and synths. Profit.
if you haven't seen it, you might want to check out Metalheadz: The Documentary ...my VHS tape has a copyright or '99 (released in the US by Palm Pictures/Manga Video) ...anyway, it's from the later '90s and along with the interviews and candid footage you also get to spend some time in the studio with several of them and get some insight into how they were working.
as for samplers, in this you mostly just see E-mu E4 series.
all in all it's a cool video and a nice bit of history of UK Jungle/DnB, and I found a streaming link--
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ne1 kno what some of the most popular sample CDs where used in those days. I have one from REinforced REcords.
heard there was a 10cd zero G pack but can't find it.
I'm not 100% sure, but there's plenty of "classic" dnb/jungle loop libraries if you look around. I think Loopmasters has some. Jungle by definition is pretty much JUST the amen break. Whole albums have been made around that break. People are still using it. Just make sure to cut it up good and pitch it and stuff , cuz just the original loop sounds totally annoying these days IMO.
Producers I knew used the cheaper sampling keyboards, because they were cheap. Ensoniqs in particular.
If your using amen breaks samples, any sampler can do it as long as you know how to configure the sample playback. All samplers are pretty much the same in that regard.
Producers I knew used the cheaper sampling keyboards, because they were cheap. Ensoniqs in particular.
If your using amen breaks samples, any sampler can do it as long as you know how to configure the sample playback. All samplers are pretty much the same in that regard.
Do these sampler's samples respond to midi volume messages because the korg triton samples don't.
I've got a dx11 but it doesn't seem to be so strong on low end. Does the dx7 have thicker bass sounds or should I just use an equaliser to beefen up the dx11?
Do these sampler's samples respond to midi volume messages because the korg triton samples don't.
MIDI volume message is a global parameter and you cannot use it for just one sound on the keyboard. It will only adjust the volume of the entire synth/sampler. Some synths have Sysex messages that may be mapped to an individual sound's level/gain parameter, which with that you can assign that parameter to a single controller (fader). Is that what you are trying to do? If so, I suggest using individual outputs instead, if the sampler has them. That way you can route the audio to a separate channel. Does the Triton have individual outputs? Figuring out and configuring Sysex messages for the level parameter isn't convenient, if the vendor even wrote that into the engine.
i'd say it's a toss up in between akai s-1000/1100/3000 series & e-mu sampers.. amen break chopped in recycle, sequencing on cubase/atari. definitely get rid of the triton (it's the most plastic rompler/sampler i've owned) and pick up an MPC with good chop facilities + a good low end bass synth..
Akai samplers, but don't forget also the appearance of a piece of software from a (then) unknown Swedish software company which those artists used to chop and re-arrange the breaks... ReCycle
For sampler recommendations, get an Akai, any Akai. The S series are superb. The S-5000 and S-6000 are great samplers and can be had these days for far less than what they were new. The MPC sampling engine is based on the S series, but it lacks many features. I own both an MPC and S5000. The S5000 blows away the MPC as a sampler, but S5000 is just a sampler. MPC is an entire production tool.
I've actually just converted to software (HALion) for sampling however. To me, it is better than the S5000. Much more efficient for creating programs.
For sampler recommendations, get an Akai, any Akai. The S series are superb. The S-5000 and S-6000 are great samplers and can be had these days for far less than what they were new. The MPC sampling engine is based on the S series, but it lacks many features. I own both an MPC and S5000. The S5000 blows away the MPC as a sampler, but S5000 is just a sampler. MPC is an entire production tool.
of course the S series have deeper synthesis params, but MPC's are fantastic easy to use mega tight sequencers, and their samplers depending on the models are basic but optimal for drums and slicing, which are the essential needs of jungle/dnb... and like you said soft samplers are definitely more powerful/less of a headache then creating programs on those small dim lcd's with horizontal button interfaces (i love MPCs but loathe rack samplers no matter how good they sound)
There's really no reason to invest in an Akai sampler these days, unless you want the "sound" that they have. Bright, and punchy. For me, I just use my DAW, add compression, EQ to the channel of the breaks, and I'm 100% happier.
That's why I said, just get a laptop and a DAW of your choice. It's far more workflow effecient than the Akai s series. The akais are legends, they are music history, but it's simply too much of a bother to load up samples into them these days just for a "sound", which I (and many others) feel can be replicated in software.
Of course you can do what you want, and people here are just answering your question, but I also want to steer you in the right direction of how to get the sounds you want.
Invest in a couple of jungle loop cds, download the amen break (it's all over the internet), get a lappy, get ableton live or whatever DAW you want (ableton has more features for dance music, but I like studio one by presonus, but anything will do), load up the sampler in the DAW of your choice, cut up the breaks yourself with the cut and paste tools, or use recycle to cut them for you. Play the midi notes associated with the cut up samples on your midi keyboard and go to town. EQ and Compress the channel to taste.
Sub bass, reese bass, etc, can all be made w/ software and sound respectable. The dirtiest reese I've ever heard came out of Omnisphere, but it can be done with almost anything really.
Ableton has a great feature where it cuts up breaks and associates the cuts to seperate midi notes automatically, which is so nice. Then you can load up the ableton drum machine and just play it like you would on an MPC. Get an MPC controller if you want, they're like . . .100 bucks used. Or just play it on the keyboard, or just program it.
I'm not a fan of playing or using midi for my breaks, me personally, I cut up loops and move them around in my DAW view until I get interesting results. I like the randomness of that way of doing it. You can approach it that way, but that may be too annoying if you're not into cutting and pasting and moving stuff around. I just prefer it that way.
I'm 30 years old now, and came from the days of outboard samplers, sequencers, and when I first started, audio in a home computer was so limited that I had to load up different programs than my DAW just to edit sounds. The akais used to be a neccesity, they are popular because they were cheap and sounded good.
These days you just dont need it.
Look up videos on youtube for the basses mentioned, you can do it in software or hardware, completely your choice, but the videos may push you in the right direction. Look up cutting up loops or chopping etc in diff DAWs on youtube to see what interests you. In short, do research off what we mentioned here.
Just dont think that because the old jungle masters did it a certain way, that you have to do it the same way. There are literally 1000 ways to make the same end product, its more what you prefer. And as is said here many times . . .
Akais and Emus. Not so much Ensoniq in the UK. Amiga computers with trackers were big. EG Super Sharp Shooter by DJ Zinc is all Amiga and it has that sound.
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