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Old 31st August 2012   #1
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Help! I need the BEST aliasing synth.

Haha, no, but I thought it'd be fun to hear examples. Please post any examples either your own or published tracks. I'm more interested in hearing hardware or software digital "failures" than bit reduction plugins.

Or if anyone has tips on how to pull the most aliasing out of a synth.

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I used to have a reaktor instrument from the user library that tried to produce as much aliasing noise as possible that was pretty neat. I no longer have a dx100 and when sweeping through settings it could produce a crunch and shimmer that while I'm glad not to have all the time, I do miss it.
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Sample the lowest ever tone playing Solid or Lately Bass at maximum velocity through an EQ with added high frequencies. Place it across the entire keyboard. Done.
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Harvestman eurorack modular is designed with those kinda sounds in mind...
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Microwave xt and evolver probably good

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The Korg EA-1 aliases pretty bad, but that is part of it's charm. Stay away from the res though as it sounds nasty (in a bad way).
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Quasimidi Polymorph has some of the most obvious aliasing I've ever heard in a synth... I'd go so far as to say that aliasing is part of its personality.
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I remember getting some insane aliasing from the Casio VZ-series of synths. It often sounded like I was trying to tune a shortwave radio through a crazy straw. Decent synth overall though.
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Casio CZs are great for this too.
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I remember getting some insane aliasing from the Casio VZ-series of synths. It often sounded like I was trying to tune a shortwave radio through a crazy straw. Decent synth overall though.
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Casio CZs are great for this too.
took the words from my mouth
phase distortion is where it's at these days
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took the words from my mouth
phase distortion is where it's at these days
Speaking of which, google seems to show there is still no working editor for the cz1 other than midiquest. Anyone ever make another one?


Anyway, microwave xt, cz series, yamaha cs1, yamaha djx, all with super high pitch do some great tricks!

MW xt in harmonic mode is fantastic for super high weird noises!
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You asked for it. Aliasing brought to you by the Ensoniq SQ-80...

Polar Path - featuring the Ensoniq SQ-80 Crosswave Synthesizer - YouTube

Polar Path sounds best in HQ mode...and with headphones.

The shortwave sounds in the first and last few bars were made by simply holding a couple of notes. The "SSB" patch was built with two GLINT1 waves and a LOGDRM wave. One of the GLINT1s is AM-ing LOGDRM. All three waves are set to OCT=+5 (the high limit).

No LFOs were patched to the oscillators. The action is a mixture of AM goodness and 8-bit waveforms crashing through the Nyquist limit.

EDIT: I also wobbled the pitch bend just a wee bit to get a moving effect. I didn't remember that detail for my initiall post at one in the morning.
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DSI Evolver.
The digital oscillators can sound beautifully lo-fi.
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That should do the trick...Mr. Alias 2
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Kawai K1 in the higher registers.


Another off the wall option is the Metasonix R54. This is a Eurorack valve (aka tube) based filter / oscillator. It can sync to external signals to let you play it but depending on the signal you send in it's not always successful, the result is truly evil sounding aliasing, and not just at high frequencies.

On a similar note, try playing into any filter close to self oscillation - but make sure it doesn't track the keyboard.
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Kawai K1 in the higher registers.

Another off the wall option is the Metasonix R54. This is a Eurorack valve (aka tube) based filter / oscillator. It can sync to external signals to let you play it but depending on the signal you send in it's not always successful, the result is truly evil sounding aliasing, and not just at high frequencies.

On a similar note, try playing into any filter close to self oscillation - but make sure it doesn't track the keyboard.
Now why would someone with a handle such as yours appreciate evil sounds

I have a K1 rack. Aliasing + AM = Sick.

The click-track on Polar Path uses a resonant filter near the edge.
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Ensoniq EPS classic -- sample without the anti alias filter -- or a Mirage.
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Thanks everyone!

The Mirage is funny, they tried to sell the input filter to eliminate aliasing separately. I woulda been annoyed if I was making music in the 80s, but it's useful now. I wish it had longer sample time. Gotta do the classic trick of sampling at higher speed and then slowing it down.

I thought the Rozzbox was a noise machine for some reason, but it seems much more capable than that. Lots of neat features like switchable aliasing and what looks to be a great hands on interface. How much do these go for?

The Casio is more interesting sounding than I expected. The aliasing in the upper registers adds some appealing complexity to the sound or something. The overall tone seems darker, smoother and floatier than FM. I'm surprised at the lack of a solid bass sound compared to a DX or software FM.

Need Waldorf demos! And what is harmonic mode?

I need to experiment more with the amplitude modulation on the k5000.

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I especially liked the more atmospheric sounds in that track and it was a neat story too. Barring some heavy reverb and effects on the more traditional instruments, it sounds modern. Funny how that works out!
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Casio CZs are great for this too.
Oddly enough, according to their lit they claimed phase distortion eliminated aliasing... either way I like it!
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I seem to remember that the Yamaha DX21 was quite good at aliasing.

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try the fabfilter synths—if you play notes way at the top of the keyboard range they start making pure aliasing tones, especially at lower sample rates (44.1). not sure how they can market them as having alias-free oscillators kind of ridiculous.
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That should do the trick...Mr. Alias 2
Finally a place where software really does outdo hardware!
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Ensoniq EPS classic -- sample without the anti alias filter -- or a Mirage.
Pretty much anything from Ensoniq no? My old TS-12 could alias like a mother f'er.

Sold my Evolver because I hated the sound of it's digital waveforms when they aliased. When I want aliasing I go to software thank you.
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You asked for it. Aliasing brought to you by the Ensoniq SQ-80...

Polar Path - featuring the Ensoniq SQ-80 Crosswave Synthesizer - YouTube

Polar Path sounds best in HQ mode...and with headphones.

The shortwave sounds in the first and last few bars were made by simply holding a couple of notes. The "SSB" patch was built with two GLINT1 waves and a LOGDRM wave. One of the GLINT1s is AM-ing LOGDRM. All three waves are set to OCT=+5 (the high limit).

No LFOs were patched to the oscillators. The action is a mixture of AM goodness and 8-bit waveforms crashing through the Nyquist limit.

EDIT: I also wobbled the pitch bend just a wee bit to get a moving effect. I didn't remember that detail for my initiall post at one in the morning.
I remember this video, love the story behind it. I myself have a "SEQ-10" hanging around.

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Kurzweil PC3, which gives you a huge variety of methods for producing non-aliasing and aliasing sounds. I have video examples of both.
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Check Sonic Charge Permu8, and it's much more than just aliasing ...





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The BEST is the SCI prophet VS.

PPG´s was famous for that too

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