The more I read here, the more I'm starting to think this might be a decent cheap replacement for my Xio - keep the Novation sound, but get a syncable arp (still hate mini-keys though).
Not many budget synths make their way to Istanbul, but one shop usually gets newer Novations. Have to see about the build quality, but I'm already smitten by that blue.
That is so, however it is laid out as a performance matrix. On this synth, which is mega deep, it only tweaks a small sub set of settings.
So if you where building a patch on this synth without the software editor you would be spending a huge amount of time on a parameter by parameter basis in the edit window. If you remember one of the thousand of commands you may perform also happens to be a tweakable on the performance matrix you would then have to select and home in on that parameter only to loose it the minute you step on the the next logical use of those 4 knobs that are there. That is not the same as the micro KORG which follows a ground up full matrix patch build approach in a logical and classic patch building order
As I say it has been optimized for live performance. Sound differences aside, if you accepted the PC editing reality, then this is a superior performance tweaking tool since the matrix is performance focused not patch build focused. IE you have a slider to select many performance options
true true. But I currently have a micron. And using that one flipping knob to create a patch is THE worst. Going tos ell it and hopefully get one of these.
true true. But I currently have a micron. And using that one flipping knob to create a patch is THE worst. Going to sell it and hopefully get one of these.
Sounds like a plan
I will keep mine and possibly get this too. I hate the idea of linking it to a computer to edit but this synth is so deep it would be the size of a small building is every knob slider and switch was available to hand...
It think it has enough sound editing to pull of any VA sound... The limit will probably be the user within a range of basic sonic character...
Very noticeable when like the Roland GAIA you can find loads of average patch demos and now and again find a pure gem... although tastes vary
I must admit I'm still waiting for a Novation Nova replacement that has at least four parts but we get the latest technology (performance related as well?) such as vst integration.
I'd be quite happy if that was a desktop thing without keys.
true true. But I currently have a micron. And using that one flipping knob to create a patch is THE worst. Going tos ell it and hopefully get one of these.
Always remember the Micron (and MiniAK) is an ION synth engine with extra EFX and stuff....
Think before you say good bye....
If you hate real analog synths then sure let it go... For a VA it gets dam close to some big synths
Ion/Micron also can sound similar to the DSI Evolver (better to some):
The one knob of the Micron isn't so bad when you use the program + key shortcuts to jump to the 10 categories for editing. But this software interface works well:
It looks like it's basically the same situation between the Micron and MiniNova for editing, where there's 1 knob to change values, and you have to scroll through the parameters. Plus both have software editors.
I hope the MiniNova PAGE < > buttons for the MENU loop around, because Edit is #5 down in the list. It wouldn't be very fun if you have to press PAGE > button 4 times just to get to the editing mode, where you then have 11 sub-menu items to choose from just to get to the parameter you want.
Then what happens if you exit the menu, and want to get back to the last parameter you were editing, does it remember where you were? Probably not. With the Micron, all you do is push the knob and you're in edit mode at the last parameter it was on. Then, you don't have to go through any menu items if you don't want, and can just go down the list of parameters with a click-turn of the knob. If you do want to jump to another category though, you don't have to back out of anything, and click a bunch of times to select it, you just hold program + the labeled key.
I'm guessing that in actuality the Micron will be better for editing from the hardware interface. But that remains to be seen.
The MiniNova doesn't seem to have FM though, and the Ion/Micron has lots of that:
why do all these synth demo/indorsement videos just prove how big of ignorant/shills these people are... who are you? what have you done? why should I care? "whoa there's a cutoff knob" ,, are you serious,...
Give me Joey Beltram's indorsement and maybe I'll slightly be amused....
btw - why does the word indorsement get a "red line" from gearslutz... jesus .. c'mon..
It needs to stop trying to look like the MicroKorg.
Exactly!
What do these manufacturers have against knobs and sliders? Enough already with the matrix's and other shite.
Put a good engine in there and also have the option to make a proper controller, which needs controls.
It needs to stop trying to look like the MicroKorg.
It needs a new engine based on Supernova series. I can't understand why all of these companies choose to abandon their much better sounding algorithms of the past. (I can't even imagine how Alesis let Bret Victor - the designer of Micron/Ion - go)
According to Novation the Ultranova/Mininova have a more powerful synth engine than the Supernova II. They also have a VST / AU / RTAS Plugin Editor giving you the option of creating your patches via the hardware or software, so you can drag and drop your patches into the Patch librarian easily (sharing these with others)... but the SNOVAII patches are not interchangeable.
According to Novation the Ultranova/Mininova have a more powerful synth engine than the Supernova II. They also have a VST / AU / RTAS Plugin Editor giving you the option of creating your patches via the hardware or software, so you can drag and drop your patches into the Patch librarian easily (sharing these with others)... but the SNOVAII patches are not interchangeable.
It might be more powerful ( = more features), but it certainly doesn't sound the same. It sounds bad IMO...."bad" like a bad software synth.
Damn that was pretty good!
Good enough not to justify paying out the A$$ for a real Jupiter 8
yea it's not worth it... if you want to use a JP8 to make one extremely simple, and not-too-pleasing-on-the-ear patch in poly mode.
god forbid hitting the unison button.. you should just prang that out with a screwdriver and tape a matchbox over the cross-mod slider too whilst you're at it.. and never pull the cut off below halfway, and forget about sync... just pretend that switch isnt there.. in fact best to steer clear of nearly all the functions of the JP ...
ps did you not hear the horrendous aliasing?
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My gearection has gone from 'Fairchild' to 'Behringer'...
Of the 3 synths released this week (Roland Integra-7, Korg Krome, MiniNova), this Novation is the only one I could see finding a home on my desk. Mind you, I'm considering it as a replacement for my Xio, so it would be a step up.
Of the 3 synths released this week (Roland Integra-7, Korg Krome, MiniNova), this Novation is the only one I could see finding a home on my desk. Mind you, I'm considering it as a replacement for my Xio, so it would be a step up.
I would get a Miniak (Micron/Ion engine)...think about it.
yea it's not worth it... if you want to use a JP8 to make one extremely simple, and not-too-pleasing-on-the-ear patch in poly mode.
god forbid hitting the unison button.. you should just prang that out with a screwdriver and tape a matchbox over the cross-mod slider too whilst you're at it.. and never pull the cut off below halfway, and forget about sync... just pretend that switch isnt there.. in fact best to steer clear of nearly all the functions of the JP ...
ps did you not hear the horrendous aliasing?
A JP8 is not in my radar. Never played one. Life will go on....Too much money. Didn't listen to the whole video.
It might be more powerful ( = more features), but it certainly doesn't sound the same. It sounds bad IMO...."bad" like a bad software synth.
My guess is that the programmers that developed the original Novation synth engine have left long ago (this was in 1998 or something?). The code was probably low-level DSP code that's hard for anyone other than the original programmer to understand. Reusable code, object-oriented programming and high-level development tools were not as common back then. Also the DSP itself probably requires low level assembly-style code for performance reasons. Today's programmers are not as skilled with this type of programming since they're used to highly visual development tools and high-level (human-readable) code.
That is my guess as to why some companies re-release the same VA synth over and over, while others makes "improvements" that make it sound totally different and not always better.
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