House/Techno drums.. are these okay?

[Wildfunk]

Originally Posted by TYPHY

Does the kick have enough low end for the clubs?

No... it's more like a "clicky" kick. It doesn't dominate the track, it just "clicks" like a metronome.

Put if you put a bassline below it works

[TYPHY]

Dang, really?
Here, I added a bassline to it. I tried boosting some more of the lows in the kick but it ended up getting muddy.



On my monitors in my untreated room, it sounds like it's beating nicely.
What do you guys think? Still lacking lows and punch?

[TYPHY]

I guess they are weak huh

[kacperson]

this bass/drums loop is dead boring

kick sounds for me bit too boomy



and dont get discouraged, i am also not a world beater ...

try listening some robert babicz ,guy J and check how they make bass/kicks cooperate and stuff,plus babicz is master of compression and making unreal things to the sound with it

guy gerber also is fantastic in this genre ,good thing is to find something you love n this music artist,or label etc etc,and learn their tracks,try to recreate it ,ask questions why and how...good way to improove step by step And as i said,i dont mean to be a di.ck ,i am also closer to beggining of this journey then to an end

[AJ Reynolds]

is the kick a sample?

[TYPHY]

thanks kac... good tips

and yes AJ, the kick is a sample... it's 2 samples layered actually.

[Audio1]

Try a little (bell) cut around between 300-500hz on the new layered sample, just a few db, start wide then make it narrow. Sounded ok though.

[djshire]

Needs more weight and more variance.

Also....house kicks and techno kicks are different. They're also different according sub-genre too.

[thefunnel]

House and techno kicks are whatever you want them to be. No rules there. Not even recommendations. So tired of reading dumb crap like that.

[kacperson]

thefunnel +1 ,totally agree. Also techno/house genres tend to blend nowadays ,for example label like bedrock and work of digweeed and his bunch,great music though

[atma]

seriously one of the reasons music is so bland now is because everyone has this mentality of wanting to emulate everything else.

just ****ing make music that you want to make, that you enjoy. it's meaningless if your drums fit the stereotype of a certain style or not.

if you just do whatever the hell you feel like doing and are genuine about it, you'll actually have a unique sound and be a creative artist.

[Wildfunk]

Originally Posted by atma

seriously one of the reasons music is so bland now is because everyone has this mentality of wanting to emulate everything else.

He stated "I've never made electronic music." and it looks like he's a "hiphop guy".

So his hiphop samples will not work in edm.

We all know this situation... just try to make hiphop with 909 samples.

[MrTechno]

Originally Posted by djshire

Needs more weight and more variance.

Also....house kicks and techno kicks are different. They're also different according sub-genre too.

Agree.

[Audio1]

Originally Posted by Wildfunk

So his hiphop samples will not work in edm.

Drum and Bass, Breaks , Garage, Grime, 808's

[KT1]

Originally Posted by Wildfunk

He stated "I've never made electronic music." and it looks like he's a "hiphop guy".

So his hiphop samples will not work in edm.

We all know this situation... just try to make hiphop with 909 samples.

This statement is ridiculous. 808 and 909 have been used extensively in hip hop. The process for creating a big mighty kick is actually very similar. Genre has no place in this discussion. The op just wants validation for his sound design. Does it reference well.



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[thefunnel]

Originally Posted by Wildfunk

He stated "I've never made electronic music." and it looks like he's a "hiphop guy".

So his hiphop samples will not work in edm.

We all know this situation... just try to make hiphop with 909 samples.

Give me these "hip-hop" samples you speak of and I'll make you a techno or house track.

Last time I checked, 808 kicks span the gamut of genres, not to mention I am sure there have been many instances of 909 kicks used in hip-hop.

You can give me a plain recording of an alarm clock's sinewave pulse and I'll flip it into a pounding kick drum.

Maybe if more of you guys challenged yourselves a little, you'd understand. The music would probably be better for it, as well.

[Wildfunk]

Originally Posted by thefunnel

Give me these "hip-hop" samples you speak of and I'll make you a techno or house track.

That's the difference between him and you:

You know the edm genre (and got a feel for it) and you're able to tweak even inappropriate samples into "gold"

[Tulpe]

Originally Posted by djshire

Also....house kicks and techno kicks are different. They're also different according sub-genre too.

In proper Techno and true housemusic they are both just 909.

[Greg_KPX]

Originally Posted by Tulpe

In proper Techno and true housemusic they are both just 909.

^in classic techno and classic house music. There are some killer techno/house sounds that don't rely on the 909.

[Audio1]

Originally Posted by Tulpe

In proper Techno and true housemusic they are both just 909.

Tell that to a Guy Called Gerald and Richie Hawtin (+more)

[Tulpe]

Of course youre right. Was kind of a joke. What i wanted to say: There are no "house-kicks" and no "techno-kicks". It depends how they are processed and used.

[kacperson]

Originally Posted by Tulpe

Of course youre right. Was kind of a joke. What i wanted to say: There are no "house-kicks" and no "techno-kicks". It depends how they are processed and used.

there is no rules at all. just creativity. Thats what i love in good techno and house. I love what babicz can do with kick sounds,but i also love proggy housey compositions of matt lange and his organic sounds ,simply no rules,what sounds good-sounds good

[Tulpe]

Yessir, well said.

[TYPHY]

Soooooo.. a few ppl said my kick was thin and clicky.
Another said it was too boomy.

Is the kick lacking punch? I just really want to know how this kick would do in the club.

I don't care about what you guys think of the music itself.. I'm just asking for feedback from a mixing standpoint.

[CoolColJ]

clicky, and thin but it can work, just use whatever you like

I personally like big thud type kicks, but I'm an old school type of dude


Generated with Stomper and processed with "tapes"

[djshire]

Originally Posted by Tulpe

In proper Techno and true housemusic they are both just 909.

Its more than just the source, its how its treated....effects, EQ'ing, compression...its different.