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Old 20th August 2012   #1
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3dbs on Limiter? Gimme a break.

I always see this written everywhere on this forum... I don't believe it.

I really don't have a problem with getting my tracks as loud and clean anymore like professional tracks, thanks in part to alot of threads on here, and understanding what I am actually doing. It's funny the more you learn, the less tools you use.

Here's where I am a little confused. I always pull down the threshold of my limiter down to let's say 10db..... If I did 3 dbs... that would never be as loud... so what's this about 3db, and how are you getting your tracks as loud as commercial tracks with only 3db! ? !

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If for example you'd use a compressor first to knock of a db or 3, that's double the loudness already. Roll off 30-35 hz before anything else and you can easily add yet another db or 2.
The 3db you talk about is a general suggestion and speaks of the gainreduction, not the threshold.
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Ahh okay, here I was thinking if someone came here to explain, then my i would be so nervous that my tracks were off balance...

Double the loudness, but that doesnt do anything for perceived loudness
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Okay I was thought that with compressor on and off its suppose to be at the same volume... I just comressed THEN, limited, Pulled down the THRESH to 10, on L1 and i was still GR'ing at over 6dbs! maybe 10 on limiter..

pls explain. The song in question is a track with lots of bass.
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try using 2 or more limiters in series - each of which not doing too much gain reduction. With plug-ins this often sounds better (same with compression)
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It depends on the sound, if you're doing an individual sound or a drum buss or master buss. For some percussion sounds or bass I might do more than 3dB - especially on the x0xb0x, I'm really taming the accents so I get the *WUW* filter sound but not a massive amplitude spike - might be anywhere from 6 - 10dB GR there. But that's a special case, and it depends. Sometimes I do want the line to be very dynamic.

Never more than 1 - 2dB on a buss. I might run more than one comp/limiter on a buss though, each with different attack/decays settings, each only shaving off 1 - 2dB. So overall, more than 3dB reduction might be happneing, but not all in one hit.
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Ahh okay, here I was thinking if someone came here to explain, then my i would be so nervous that my tracks were off balance...

Double the loudness, but that doesnt do anything for perceived loudness
3db extra gives you exactly that, 3db extra. So the perceived loudness is 3db extra. Simple.
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i don't understand people's preoccupation with numbers when it comes to music. everything is relative and contextual.
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Well I'm just saying 3db at the end isnt commercially loud.... At all!

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