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Old 14th August 2012   #1
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Sylenth1 64-bit Alternatives for Mac

so I've put all these possible Sylenth1 64-bit alternatives to the tests and here are the audio files and my thoughts

note that this is a supersaw test, all the synths were set to have an open lowpass filter, either 12db or 2 poles (which I'm pretty sure is the same thing, correct me if I'm wrong)


here's the Sylenth1 patch I tried to recreate:



quite simple really, just a regular supersaw patch that many synths could recreate? WRONG


I've spent the past few weeks trying to find a synth that could sound anywhere close to this simple Sylenth1 patch

so I've uploaded some audiofiles of my latest test

320kbps MP3s are attached, 44.1khz 24bit samples can be downloaded form here


"4 octave" is just simple 4 octaves, first synth you hear is Sylenth1, and you hear it again after every synth being tested

the synths being tested are ANA, Massive, Strobe, ElectraX, Saurus, Zebra2 and Dune

I placed them somewhat in order as to which I though sounded the closest

"chord" is a simple chord, order is the same as the first test

"chord progression" is a chord progression from one of my upcoming tracks, it basically goes from Sylenth1 to the synths being tested in order

that test was kinda pointless but I figured I'd upload it anyways

after that you have every synths playing the same chord progression all the way through, each audio file is labeled accordingly



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a lot of the synths I tried are very different form eachother, but I tried to make them all sound as close to possible to Sylenth1 without utilizing any EQ

Strobe is actually being played at 4x oversampling which hogged down my CPU like a mofo, in a real life situation I would just use it a 2x oversampling with some EQ or added resonance from the filter to make it brighter

Massive is one of the closest ones for some reason, weird specially because it's a wavetable synth as opposed to the rest

Dune couldn't get nearly as wide to Sylenth1, or any of the other synths even, kind of weird because a lot of people compare them like if they could sound the same... I guess one could ways use some sample delay to make it as wide

ElectraX was a complete pain in the ass to make stereo, had to set two oscillators for each octave (each had to have it's own layer) and send them to separate filters so they could be panned left and right, also it sucks that the ultrasaw oscillator only goes from 3 to "multisaw" (who knows how many saws that is, I'd have to check the manual)

Saurus sounds really good to me for some reason although it's not very close to Sylenth, the 4 voice unison limit is kind of a bummer, but I made this work with one of the suboscillators

Zebra2 is cool but I couldn't get the oscillators to sound quite right, plus this synth is so damn deep that it'd be almost an insult to just use it for supersaws

ANA probably got the closest IMO, and could probably sound much closer with some EQ or a different filter since it's quite bright, really surprised with synth overall, closest thing to Sylenth1 out there probably

I wanted to have SynthMaster in the test as well but the 32-bit demo wouldn't work right, the sound kept going out when notes were below G2 or something like that, weird because the 64-bit version worked perfectly fine

anyways, thoughts, opinions or any other comments welcome!
Attached Files
File Type: mp3 4 octave.mp3 (1.07 MB, 923 views)
File Type: mp3 chord.mp3 (1.07 MB, 646 views)
File Type: mp3 chord progression.mp3 (629.7 KB, 539 views)
File Type: mp3 Sylenth1.mp3 (629.7 KB, 938 views)
File Type: mp3 ANA.mp3 (629.6 KB, 675 views)
File Type: mp3 Massive.mp3 (629.7 KB, 798 views)
File Type: mp3 Strobe.mp3 (629.7 KB, 567 views)
File Type: mp3 ElectraX.mp3 (629.7 KB, 451 views)
File Type: mp3 Saurus.mp3 (629.7 KB, 418 views)
File Type: mp3 Zebra2.mp3 (629.7 KB, 622 views)
File Type: mp3 Dune.mp3 (629.7 KB, 543 views)
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Why didn't you try Diva? That seems closer to Sylenth than Zebra...
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Sylenth1 sounds tight. Seems with the other synths the sound was wobblier. So it did not have that supertight sound.

If you go here you'll find a 64 bit Sylenth version.... Problem solved?

http://www.lennardigital.com/modules/downloads/
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Sylenth1 sounds tight. Seems with the other synths the sound was wobblier. So it did not have that supertight sound.

If you go here you'll find a 64 bit Sylenth version.... Problem solved?

http://www.lennardigital.com/modules/downloads/
Looks like 64bit on that page is for Windows.

I'd like to see RTAS for OS X.
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have you looked at steinberg's retrologue?

Also would you mind if I reblogged this? it would make a great a/b vst comparison.
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I'm with you there man, the supersaw in Sylenth is unmatched, I've tried with other synths just like you but it doesn't sound the same, Sylenth is so wide, punchy and tight, I would love to use Zebra in everything I do because I know it so well but for the commercial stuff I have to use Sylenth, it just has that "sound"
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I would love to use Zebra in everything I do because I know it so well but for the commercial stuff I have to use Sylenth, it just has that "sound"
Zebra 3 is around the corner and there has been some discussion on kvr of a specialized supersaw oscillator. Maybe this will bring Zebra the rest of the way...
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Zebra 3 is around the corner and there has been some discussion on kvr of a specialized supersaw oscillator. Maybe this will bring Zebra the rest of the way...
Yes! I read it! I hope it does come in Z3
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yeah ANA is close-but the highs arent quite as nice...there is some other supersaw options also in the 3rd Osc sources...lots of options there-decent synth...

Im suprised how much better Sylenth sounds for this-just more musical...

although Massive is not bad (perhaps with less detune it might have been closer...?)...

Strobe is also decent but less 'in your face' power-bit smoother but pretty decent...

ElectraX is ok...bit of a metallic digital character

Saurus Osc perhaps too 'vintage' for this type of sound...or its saturating a bit too much making it muddy...

Dont think this was Zebra or Dune strong point...didnt like the 'whistling' sound in the highs...

Agreed - Zeta might be worth trying...good test tho

I must say - it highlights that even tho it might not be the best specced synth - the basic sound of Sylenth is very strong - which is what counts and probably why it has been so popular.
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yeah ANA is close-but the highs arent quite as nice...there is some other supersaw options also in the 3rd Osc sources...lots of options there-decent synth...

Im suprised how much better Sylenth sounds for this-just more musical...

although Massive is not bad (perhaps with less detune it might have been closer...?)...

Strobe is also decent but less 'in your face' power-bit smoother but pretty decent...

ElectraX is ok...bit of a metallic digital character

Saurus Osc perhaps too 'vintage' for this type of sound...or its saturating a bit too much making it muddy...

Dont think this was Zebra or Dune strong point...didnt like the 'whistling' sound in the highs...

Agreed - Zeta might be worth trying...good test tho

I must say - it highlights that even tho it might not be the best specced synth - the basic sound of Sylenth is very strong - which is what counts and probably why it has been so popular.
great observations, I agreed on everything

Massive does have a bit of a weird detune, but I'm sure I could have gotten even close with more careful tweaking

Sylenth1 definitely has a full strong sound, and in this test I kept the filter drive all the way down and the warm drive off which I usually turn it up a bit for an even more in you face sound




I might give Zeta and SynthMaster a try today, don't see a trial for Zeta on the Steinberg website though
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zeta is cakewalk.

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retrologue is steinberg's.

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Not sure if it's Alchemy by itself or just a proper samples, but maybe it's worth to check it.

Alchemy - Additive Synth, VA, Granular, Sampler - VSTi Instrument, Audio Units plugin

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yeah my bad, well either way, I tried Z3ta+ and there's no way to get it sound anywhere close to Sylenth1.. that synth is awesome but it really need unison at least, a supersaw type oscillator would be cool too

Retrologue doesn't seem like it could get anywhere close either, don't see an option for unison detune and spread, correct me if I'm wrong though

SynthMaster is a pain in the ass to test with the audio going out of wack every 10 mintes, but from a few of those 10 minute intervals of testing it out I got to the conclusion that yes it is capable of similar sounds but the oscillators don't really cut, reminded me of Zebra a bit


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wow that sounds great, all well the Alchemy website says:

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Alchemy has a virtual analog synthesis engine with a wide variety of waveform shapes, pulse width modulation and a powerful unison engine capable of synthesising up to 600 oscillators.

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and reFX doesn't state anything about it coming with samples so I would imagine it's all just sounds made with the VA engine
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Do you already own sylenth? or were just considering?

If you already bought it, i'd just use it an not worry about the headache over the principal of lol.
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Do you already own sylenth? or were just considering?

If you already bought it, i'd just use it an not worry about the headache over the principal of lol.
I'm done with 32-bit brah, only plug-ins I use other than Sylenth1 that still need to go 64-bit are SoundToys and Auto-tune 7 which both have already stated to be working on the 64-bit versions

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great observations, I agreed on everything

Massive does have a bit of a weird detune, but I'm sure I could have gotten even close with more careful tweaking

Sylenth1 definitely has a full strong sound, and in this test I kept the filter drive all the way down and the warm drive off which I usually turn it up a bit for an even more in you face sound

I might give Zeta and SynthMaster a try today, don't see a trial for Zeta on the Steinberg website though
cool - I have just been demoing Zeta recently and have been impressed by the quality...massive saw patches are so ubiquitous Im wondering if there is a place in my music for them-I dont currently...anyway - Zeta does have a option to select 'multi' in the 'mode' of the Osc section-then you use 'spread' knob...you can do that for each Osc...and also select a normal or Multisaw waveform to unison detune...then you send each Osc to one of the 2 filters or both for centre - and pan the filters...its the only way to get width in Zeta...

Anyway - after all that it sounds close-ish to these examples-takes a bit of messing about using the Multi, Free mode and getting the tuning right...it seems important how these synths handle the Osc as they build up - it can sound phasey or it can just sound massive and natural.

Those Alchemy demos sound pretty good...I should prob check that synth out more seeing as it does cool sample, granular and all sorts...

The way these synths handle the phase and tuning seems important as the Osc stack up....
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Imageline Sawer has unison voices (1,2,4,8), detune and panning. Remember to jack the polyphony up.

Seem to recall Sytrus has amazing unison as well, but I'm Mac based too so not a feasible option.

Vanguard could always do nice unison trance stuff.

Fabfilter Twin is pretty sick too.

But I have no idea whether these are 64-bit yet (twin probably is) so could be a useless post.
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Z3ta+2 was the closest for me by miles.


I have tried all the synths you've listed, but not one of them captures that raw twanginess that Sylenth does so well.

One other (possibly ludicrous) suggestion is to bite the bullet and buy a Virus. That nails the Sylenth sound (or was it the other way round?) and then some.

A used Snow might not be too out of reach.
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Haha I wish I could just get a Virus, but I can't be spending that type of money right now

Anyways, Alchemy is awesome, I already tried FabFilter Twin and it didn't get very close, I'd like to check Sawyer out but I've got no internets ATM. I'll mess around with Z3ta+ 2 more and report back. I'll upload more tests when internets is back up.
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strange strobe is not cutting as i usually find dcam synths to cut better than massive or sylenth... maybe not for that type of sounds.

would be nice if you could post the last midi file have some spare time and would like to compare some synths to your sylenth sample just by curiosity .
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Sylenth really stands out of the crowd.. it's really sad there is no Mac x64 version announced yet.
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thanks for test, I go back to ANA and try again
because Sylenth1(64 bit) don't wanna work in win7x64. I use jBridge and running 32bit version on my 64 bit system. sad but true
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so it's been a few months since this and I now find myself using Massive and Saurus for most my stereo supersaw/unison stuff

'm going to give Z3ta+ a chance though, the thing is a beast and it appears that it is definitely capable of making some huge supersaw patches
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How is Z3ta 1.5 for making supersaw patches?
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ok so it's been almost 5 months of no Sylenth 1 and I am not missing it

I've got all the supersaw I need and more between Stobe, Massive, Saurus and Z3ta+

Z3ta+ is definitely the best alternative for the big lush supersaw leads and pads, I'd even say that it sounds better than Sylenth1

you do lose the ability to choose how many voices on the multioscillators (it goes straight from 1 to 8 voices) but it more than makes up for it with how much of a beast this thing is
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you mean you can make music w/o sylenth?

wow. amazing

i bet you could even make music w/o 64 bits
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Z3ta+ is definitely the best alternative for the big lush supersaw leads and pads, I'd even say that it sounds better than Sylenth1
I don't like z3ta+ that much as a whole but it's supersawy stuff is stunningly amazing, especially when filterswept, sorely miss it in Reason but Cakewalk made a compressor RE so maybe some day :P
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I don't like z3ta+ that much as a whole but it's supersawy stuff is stunningly amazing, especially when filterswept, sorely miss it in Reason but Cakewalk made a compressor RE so maybe some day :P
it is a bit weird to use but it definitely sound great

one thing that kinda sucks if the inability to use the fm/pm/ring/sync modes when the oscillator you're modulation is in multi mode
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it is a bit weird to use but it definitely sound great
I might have sounded a little bit too negative about z3ta+ but for most leads, plucks and stabs I prefer Predator, Antidote or Tone2 but for "supersawy" lead stuff I really prefer z3ta+
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