vintage Sampler roll call !!

[ahmo]

I would recommend scsi on the 60 as well. If anyone needs a scsi board for the mpc 60, check the 60 yahoo group, someone made new boards and they work.

[new bee]

yes its hot swappable

it doesnt not seem to work with os 2.1 ...see post from Gilles Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:34 pm

Akai MPC Forums - MPC 60/3000 "new" storage media : MPC3000, MPC60 - Page 5

loading times r probably bout the same as floppy....

two roger linn kits from here : http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group..._SoundLibrary/

world_bt.pgm loads in 2 mins 5 secs
808_kit.pgm loads in 1 min 18 secs

Originally Posted by dlmorley

Would love to know too...also, does it need version 3 or will an earlier Akai OS version work fine?

[new bee]

its a nice little beast.....sorta like the poor cousin of the sp12, with a more menu driven interface
the membrane menu is prone to wear out after years of use....same as on the prophet2000
its got 3 ssms....and one feature which is nice compared to the sp12 is that you can modify the filter on them from the menu...
the sample times for each voice are fixed in length
a big plus for it is the ease of loading samples using the software form here
Papareil RSF SD140 Dumper - much much quicker than the sp12

Originally Posted by dlmorley

How is that? Always wondered if it was any good, Rare beast.

[kid8088]

Not sure how "vintage", but...

Akai MPC1000 (the pads are invaluable to me)
E-mu E6400 ULTRA (thinking of selling this due to space; not sure if it's worth it or not :-/)
C=64 with MSSIAH - love this one ;-)

[HUEY]

Currently in use:
*AKAI S3200XL (2 pcs, both with internal Microtech card reader)
*Ensoniq ASR-X (fully exp. with internal CF cardreader)

Sold:
*AKAI S2000
*AKAI S3000XL (2)
*Ensoniq ASR-10.

Despite the S3200XL is in the S2000/S3000XL/MPC2000(XL) camp,
the S3200XL do sound much better then the S3000XL. I did some 1 on 1 tests and put the S3000XL's for sale immediately and bought a seccond S3200XL

[dlmorley]

Originally Posted by new bee

its a nice little beast.....sorta like the poor cousin of the sp12, with a more menu driven interface
the membrane menu is prone to wear out after years of use....same as on the prophet2000
its got 3 ssms....and one feature which is nice compared to the sp12 is that you can modify the filter on them from the menu...
the sample times for each voice are fixed in length
a big plus for it is the ease of loading samples using the software form here
Papareil RSF SD140 Dumper - much much quicker than the sp12

Interesting! Thanks.

[SEED78]

Originally Posted by lunatic_77

Dynacord ADD One + ADD Drive

on drums, how does this compare to the s950?

[new bee]

its kix da s950s likkel ass

[dlmorley]

The ADD one and drive is like a complete synth really. 8 channels of curtis voice chips (VCF/VCA) envelopes, lfo, modulations and nice retriggering features too (each sound can be triggered once but play x times and different voices can be triggered at the same time so you can create nice polyrhythmic stuff. It's deeper than the S950 and sounds nicer IMHO.

[SEED78]

looks intense! samplers, how many is too many?

on sampler tip - I'm going to be borrowing a modded DSS1 next week to see if thats something I'm interested in. filters sound beefy on that too!

[jbsteho]

E5000 Emu and good old Roland S330 here. just plug the Emu last week to use my personal Mellotrons patches, wich fit well with the song I was working on. Very nice to play with it again. my S330 is taking the dust, my floppy disks too, but still there
by the way I found a Dr sample ( the very first one ) to use on stage ( I have two loops to lauch ) . did'nt want to take my laptop in this Rock'n roll / garage project. No more computer on stage as far as I can avoid them. Most of the people think you're a "DJ "....

[spaceacademy]

Originally Posted by Hossegor

Roland s-750 (i like the sound but programming is a biatch)

How can you honestly say this unless your use of the S range is very limited (no offence intended)


The S range s770 -s750 - s760 when using the mouse and screen is the fastest hardware sampler to work with without exception. You can sample a sound and have it playing in a patch in less than 8 seconds (after sampling the sound of course). Even faster if you sample using the quick sampling function which will sample and directly map to a partial and patch. In such cases its instant.

Editing is extremely fast ie setting filters, loop points, mapping (really fast btw) adsr, etc. I used to use an S770 extensively and to this day I have not come across any other sampler whether it be software or hardware which is as fast to work with. Its not complicated at all, you just need to use the thing regularly and before you know it your zooming around those pages without thinking about it.

[dlmorley]

Originally Posted by spaceacademy

How can you honestly say this unless your use of the S range is very limited (no offence intended)


The S range s770 -s750 - s760 when using the mouse and screen is the fastest hardware sampler to work with without exception. You can sample a sound and have it playing in a patch in less than 8 seconds (after sampling the sound of course). Even faster if you sample using the quick sampling function which will sample and directly map to a partial and patch. In such cases its instant.

Editing is extremely fast ie setting filters, loop points, adsr etc. I used to use an S770 extensively and to this day I have not come across any other sampler whether it be software or hardware which is as fast to work with. Its not complicated at all, you just need to use the thing regularly and before you know it your zooming around those pages without thinking about it.

I tend to agree. I could fly around my 750. I was using an Emulator III at the time too and that was also fast. just 2 or 3 button pushes and you are in any page ready to edit. Nice.
On the Rolands they had great visual editing of the waveform and even waveform drawing. Excellent machines. I just picked up a S-770..just want to find a TFT screen that works with it now.

[wakestyle]

Originally Posted by spaceacademy

Editing is extremely fast ie setting filters, loop points, mapping (really fast btw) adsr, etc. I used to use an S770 extensively and to this day I have not come across any other sampler whether it be software or hardware which is as fast to work with. Its not complicated at all, you just need to use the thing regularly and before you know it your zooming around those pages without thinking about it.

I wasn't aware that the s760/770 had 'filters', but rather a single filter for the entire unit output. Can u remember any more details.

btw I'm assuming those complaining about it's workflow are not inclined to have a oldskool monitor and oldskool mouse in working order.

[dlmorley]

Originally Posted by wakestyle

I wasn't aware that the s760/770 had 'filters', but rather a single filter for the entire unit output. Can u remember any more details.

btw I'm assuming those complaining about it's workflow are not inclined to have a oldskool monitor and oldskool mouse in working order.

It has 24 voices each with a filter. Really nice sounding digital filters...
It has an EQ for the outputs. Might be what you are thinking of.

Some spec:

Aftertouch: Channel or Polyphonic routed to pitch, filter, amp, LFO
Architecture Class: sampler
Audio IO: headphone, input 8 outs, stereo in XLR inputs, S/PDIF IO (optical and coax)
Audio Source: 16b samples (22.05, 24, 44.1, 48kHz rates) or drawn waveform. Sample editing includes truncate, sustain and release loops (7 modes), cut/splice, mix/combine, level adjust, resonant low or high pass filter (12dB slope each time executed), resampling, compressor/expander, time stretch, rate conversion
Communication Interface: MIDI In, Out, Thru 25P SCSI, MIDI SDS, serial mouse/RC-100 remote, monochrome out (RCA), RGB port (8P DIN)
Effects: 2 band semi-parametric EQ for each output (8 total)
EG: Filter EG has 4 levels and 4 rates Amp EG has 3 levels and 4 rates
Expansion: Floppy drive 16MB max RAM (RAS-770, OMS-770), 40MB HD, SCSI, 3.5" DSHD drive (compatible with S-550/W-30), serial mouse/RC-100 Remote, CRT monitor
Filter: resonant low, high or band pass
Form Factor: 3U rack
Key Scaling: Routed to EG rates, filter
LFO: Routed to pitch, filter, amp with delay. Waveforms are sine, triangle, up saw, down saw, square, random, bend up or down
Memory:
Multi Memory: 64
Patch Memory: 128
PCM Memory: N/A
Sample Memory: 2MB
Sequencer Memory: N/A
Multitimbral: 8
Pedal Inputs: record
Performance Control: None
Polyphony: 24
Power: AC
Released: 1990
Sequencer: No
Signal Class: digital
Velocity: sample switch/mix, EG rates, filter and amp

[martin909]

S-760
S-330 (I like the LoFi rough sound)
oh and a Casio SK-1...

[viewing]

Originally Posted by spaceacademy

The S range s770 -s750 - s760 when using the mouse and screen is the fastest hardware sampler to work with without exception. You can sample a sound and have it playing in a patch in less than 8 seconds (after sampling the sound of course). Even faster if you sample using the quick sampling function which will sample and directly map to a partial and patch. In such cases its instant.

Editing is extremely fast ie setting filters, loop points, mapping (really fast btw) adsr, etc. I used to use an S770 extensively and to this day I have not come across any other sampler whether it be software or hardware which is as fast to work with. Its not complicated at all, you just need to use the thing regularly and before you know it your zooming around those pages without thinking about it.

quick sample is only possible on the s760. not sure about the s760 but on the s750 before taking a sample you have to first name it, every single time a new sample is to be taken(not including retries). add to this the slight pause when you switch screens and there are at least 3 screen changes required to complete the sampling process. everything else minus the screen change pauses is fast though

[dlmorley]

I don't recall ever being slowed down when sampling on the 750..
I love the presample function.
And naming samples is actually quite useful ;-)

[viewing]

all relative i guess, but not comparable to the speed of sampling/auto-chopping/auto-placement of the mirage. on the mirage if i hear a sound i want like a snare for example, i wind the record back and arm sampling. when the sound i want passes i hit enter a split second before the sound occurs. the mirage perfectly grabs the snare without the need for truncation and it is waiting on the key(s) that i sampled into. the roland and many other samplers cannot do this

btw i think you were the person who's posts persuaded me to buy an s750 as my first sampler since the mirage and what i learned and accomplished on it has been life changing (otherwise, it sounds horrible, no bass whatsoever, and ummmmm, what else to keep the prices down...)

[NEXUS-6]

wow how embarrassing for me.

x2. MPC 2000 XL's

1. Akai s6000

1.Akai s5000

1.Akai s3000i

Not in the vintage class

X2. Akai z8's

1.MPC 1000

& My beloved maxed out main squeeze MPC 4000.

For a whooping total of 9 Akai samplers (face plant)

[dlmorley]

Originally Posted by viewingstuff

all relative i guess, but not comparable to the speed of sampling/auto-chopping/auto-placement of the mirage. on the mirage if i hear a sound i want like a snare for example, i wind the record back and arm sampling. when the sound i want passes i hit enter a split second before the sound occurs. the mirage perfectly grabs the snare without the need for truncation and it is waiting on the key(s) that i sampled into. the roland and many other samplers cannot do this

btw i think you were the person who's posts persuaded me to buy an s750 as my first sampler since the mirage and what i learned and accomplished on it has been life changing (otherwise, it sounds horrible, no bass whatsoever, and ummmmm, what else to keep the prices down...)

Damn...I should be careful what I suggest
I am sure there are faster samplers than the 750 but it is worth the OS idiosyncrasies to me...
On the Roland you can set it to record after you have heard the sound. I love that function. The sound is being captured and you click at the end of the sound you want. That's quicker than rewinding for me..

[SEED78]

S1000 vs ASR10 >>purely based on sound?

I have a busted (but almost fully loaded) s1000, got it real cheap and will either fix it or sell off all the expansion ports/memory etc

have a ASR10 rack with CF internal coming in a month, and frankly if the ASR is the better sounding machine the s1000 just won't be needed.

any thoughts on s1000 sound vs ASR10 sound anyone?

after that I might give samplers a rest, already have plenty

oh, forgot I've got to get a DSS1

[dlmorley]

ASR10

[Karloff70]

Originally Posted by SEED78

S1000 vs ASR10 >>purely based on sound?

I have a busted (but almost fully loaded) s1000, got it real cheap and will either fix it or sell off all the expansion ports/memory etc

have a ASR10 rack with CF internal coming in a month, and frankly if the ASR is the better sounding machine the s1000 just won't be needed.

any thoughts on s1000 sound vs ASR10 sound anyone?

after that I might give samplers a rest, already have plenty

oh, forgot I've got to get a DSS1

Better surely depends on context. ASR is perhaps easily the 'better', i.e. more appealing sound by itself, but there is something in that S1000 if you do house that wants to lean on sounds of the 90's.......but then you have a 950 for that I suppose.....

[jabuone]

E-MU Esynth - classy
Yamaha SU10 - trashy
Yamaha VSS30 - supertrashy

[viewing]

Originally Posted by dlmorley

Damn...I should be careful what I suggest

too late .....eiii on the way (actually eiiix, can't afford an eiii rack atm. yes i realize they are different)

[bluegreengold]

Originally Posted by dlmorley

. The sound is being captured and you click at the end of the sound you want. That's quicker than rewinding for me..

Yes that's a very overlooked aspect. It's great for sampling live off of TV.

[rockmanrock]

Originally Posted by SEED78

S1000 vs ASR10 >>purely based on sound?

I have a busted (but almost fully loaded) s1000, got it real cheap and will either fix it or sell off all the expansion ports/memory etc

have a ASR10 rack with CF internal coming in a month, and frankly if the ASR is the better sounding machine the s1000 just won't be needed.

any thoughts on s1000 sound vs ASR10 sound anyone?

I've got an EPS16+ and some Akais (S1000, S1100, S3000XL, S950). With the Ensoniqs you can run the whole engine/effects at either 44kHz or 30kHz. If the ASR10 is like the EPS16+ at 30k, it's nowhere near as good as the Akais are at transposing - high frequencies get mashed up and samples lose their punch. When I run my EPS16+ at 44k, it's pretty damn good but polyphony drops (20 to 13 in my EPS16+, 31 to 23 in an ASR10), and effects are more limited.

They both sound good but I think the Akai pips the Ensoniq for hardness/punch, and the Ensoniq has more warmth and character, especially with the effects and looping tricks. The Ensoniqs are more of an instrument, the Akais more of a machine. Try them both, see what you prefer.

[szf]

Akai is brighter, offers a nice contrast to the asr..
Fairer comparison is s1100 vs asr10.
Sound and fx wise both come first place for me..

Same loop through both

s1000


asr10


..

[worm]

anyone interested in a Roland S-770 with monitor and mouse?

it's in london, PM for details.