Should I pay to much for Prophet 600 and how close to a 5 will it get me

[Teknobeam]

Originally Posted by oobwa ee

Found a Prophet 600 for a higher price [what to expect of course too high/
but it really does inspire my wanting part of the brain.

If I buy how close to prophet 5 do you think sound is.
I know utube demo of both, but can any owner or experienced give me honestly opinions please

Depends on witch P5...the earlier ones were ssm, the later ones were Curtis. The 600 is Curtis chips. Not as well put together as the later P5;s (very much like a poly Pro One in build and aesthetic). these were measures designed to keep production costs down no doubt..kind of like the Micromoog. Discrete electronic,, long befor surface mount technology. It even has midi. But I was always a bit leary of some of the sequential stuff from that era after owning a DPX1 for a little while.

If it's all working properly...I'll bet it sounds amazing.

[oobwa ee]

It looks good, haven't hear yet but I wonder about envelope speed
I hear the fast basses are not the easy to make

[Futureman84]

Originally Posted by Teknobeam

.... But I was always a bit leary of some of the sequential stuff from that era after owning a DPX1 for a little while..

As in Oberheim DPX????

My mate as a P600, I own a P5 rev 3.3.

They are similar if you squint your ears... Prob closer to a P5 than most other synths (except for a MemoryMoog, which can also get very close to a P5, but I'd imagine that's out of your price range)

The P600 and Jx3p were the first two midi synths, so don't expect great midi specs.. You'll be able to sequence it.. But don't expect to record knob movements etc.

Don't worry about it's sluggish envelopes.. Not offensive, but you won't be able to make banging 16th bass lines with it so easily.

[SWAN808]

the problem with a P600 I found is that it will make you want a P5 really badly. Thats what happened with me anyway. The P600 to my ears sounds quite a bit like a P5 however it is more brash in the filter. It seems like the filter has more of a Pro One attitude...but its basic Osc sounds like a P5. It has a great big analogue sound for cheap.

The problem is that it is quite limited in modulation, and the digital implementation of the envelopes and controls feels sluggish and low-end...its not punchy at all and you cant get sharp sounds out of the envelopes. You can feel the rough digital quantisation when turning the knobs-like a sort of lag and also low resolution. Dont expect it to feel like a high end instrument. Hence it is priced accordingly.

I would say its good for pads and slow ambient VCO analogue sounds...its definitely a cool synth-cheapest way you can get dual VCO vintage analogue. It just made me personally feel like I was compromising too much. I saved more money and traded up for an OB8 which felt more like a complete poly synth.

But by all means give it a try if its going for a good price.

[dlmorley]

P600 is a decent synth BUT lacks noise (!!) has software envelopes and as mentioned, the modulation side of the P5 is where a lot of it's good stuff happens and the P600 is not as good there BUT it's still a useable and good sounding analogue polysynth.
I wouldn't pay too much for one though.

[dougt]

At least it has VCO1-VCO2 polymod unlike the DSI stuff. It's as close to a Rev 3 P-5 that you'll get from anything else under $2000.

[ozy]

Originally Posted by oobwa ee

Should I pay to much for Prophet 600

no.

800/1000 bucks is fine. More is not.

Originally Posted by oobwa ee

how close to a 5 will it get me

not much. no more than a tetr4.

prophet600 is a very good synth with many interesting features, but it's way thinner than the 5.

I had to chorus mine, and I got rid of it soon.

a prophet5 is a pain in the ass as far as maintenance is concerned, but it's definitely a present, aggressive synth, belonging to a separate race and era.

Rather than for a 600, I'd go for a DSI.

Personal opinion of a user of all the abovementioned instruments.

[Popbott]

Originally Posted by ozy

Rather than for a 600, I'd go for a DSI.

I would agree here. When I bought my DSI Mopho Keyboard Edition, I was surprised how similar it sounds to my Prophet 600. A Prophet 8 hosts many more features compared to a Prophet 600.

[Carey M]

I have to disagree with ozy and Popbott. To me, the P600 is a much closer relation to P5 than any of the DSI synths in sound. Evolver, Tetra and P'08 were like cousins, but to me the P600 is like a little brother... A moronic, sloppy, lo-fi baby brother. But that's just the way I hear it. A P600 probably won't cure any lust for a P5 though...

In Europe, I wouldn't pay more than 1000 euros.

- CM

[ozy]

Originally Posted by Carey M

to me the P600 is like a little brother... A moronic, sloppy, lo-fi baby brother

and... that was meant as a compliment, right?

[Carey M]

Originally Posted by ozy

and... that was meant as a compliment, right?

Kinda

It has less modulation options, no noise, poor resolution on controllers and knobs, sloppy envelopes... But it still sounds like a Prophet.

- CM

[oobwa ee]

I heard this instrment and by Allah it's sounding amazing.
I love it but is over $1000 by $300 again.

So $1300 for immaculate and guy is not budging even $5.
Should I / Should I Not?

[ctrlshft]

IMO, if you're going for a P600, just get a Prophet '08. P600 sounds very good, but I didn't find myself really missing the P600 much after the '08 came out. Sure, there's discrete components in the P600 and differences that might make it sound different. Better? YMMV, but I didn't think so. Agree with the comments about 800-1k. I paid that much 10 years ago and don't feel like it's worth more than that now.

[donato]

Seems like only five years ago they were going for around $500-$700.

[bloodsample]

I got my p600 for 400$ a few months ago. But I got lucky because the seller wasn't greedy. So they can still be had for cheap, you just have to be patient. Don't feel bad about paying a little more for it if you really like the sound.

[thermos]

You could maybe find an MKS-80 for that much. I did a few months ago. I'd way rather have that than a Prophet 600.

[tjporter]

Finding a synth that old in a country that has been at war for over 30 years, I'd say just take what you can get & be happy

[ozy]

Originally Posted by oobwa ee

I heard this instrment

in person? personally? with your ears? prophet600 under your hands directly to a good mixer/monitors?

OR: some digital medium which allows you to phantasize about the prophet600 POSSIBLE quality when heard in person?

Originally Posted by oobwa ee

Should I / Should I Not?

Ok, this is not polite but... since you keep asking for a synthesis:

which exactly is the part of "NO" which is so severely muffled by your monitors?

Originally Posted by oobwa ee

by Allah it's sounding amazing

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[phreak260]

Originally Posted by oobwa ee

I heard this instrment and by Allah it's sounding amazing.
I love it but is over $1000 by $300 again.

So $1300 for immaculate and guy is not budging even $5.
Should I / Should I Not?

holy moly- i bought a very nice one in 2002 for $350. all the reviews about the sluggish envelopes and stepping are accurate. it will pretty much be a pad machine. a really nice pad machine.

i would not pay more than $500 for one, over $1K is a piss take (IMO)

i liked it's sound, and accepted it's limited role in the studio, which justified it's price at the time.

[tjporter]

I'm curious as to when this Prophet 600 entered Afghanistan. During the war with the Soviets (1979-1989)? Or during the following civil war which eventually saw the synth-loving Taliban come to power? Or the fun-filled days that have followed the NATO invasion? Just curious...

[oobwa ee]

Originally Posted by ozy

in person? personally? with your ears? prophet600 under your hands directly to a good mixer/monitors?

OR: some digital medium which allows you to phantasize about the prophet600 POSSIBLE quality when heard in person?




Ok, this is not polite but... since you keep asking for a synthesis:

which exactly is the part of "NO" which is so severely muffled by your monitors?



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Do you spend all of your time trolling people and making insults or just 98% of it.

No I heard a DX7 annd pretended it was a prophet 600. Seeing as you know so much about my ears and me, I'll not bother to answer any more of you trollish questions and welcome to being number one of my ignoring list

[oobwa ee]

BTW, for those interested and not trolling I haven't yet spent my cash but am leaning very much to just buying it and saying what the hell

[javd007]

Originally Posted by oobwa ee

Do you spend all of your time trolling people and making insults or just 98% of it.

No I heard a DX7 annd pretended it was a prophet 600. Seeing as you know so much about my ears and me, I'll not bother to answer any more of you trollish questions and welcome to being number one of my ignoring list

Lol

[ozy]

Originally Posted by tjporter

I'm curious as to when this Prophet 600 entered Afghanistan. During the war with the Soviets (1979-1989)? Or during the following civil war which eventually saw the synth-loving Taliban come to power? Or the fun-filled days that have followed the NATO invasion? Just curious...

same curiosity here...

how fancy, posing as a poor guy living in Kabul...

[oobwa ee]

Originally Posted by ozy

same curiosity here...

how fancy, posing as a poor guy living in Kabul...

Wow, you can read which is amazing and 2) you assume everything someone writes on internetz is real. You're a real kind of guy.

I think it says location: Kabul, and I said "by Allah" one time.
From this you can extrapolate all kinds of data and assumptions.
You should stop wasting you times here and go an work for the CIA in data mining. I'm certainly they'd love to have you on board.

Your so knowledgable about Afghani history but don't seem to know about anything else other than the art of haniging around on forums and troll-lolling