was bored this evening i just upgraded to 6.5 for the hell of it
then i took a look at the rack extensions.
imagine paying 40 dollars for a buffer over-ride from peff so i can "make other worldly sounds"
please…..
thank god i have reaper and know how to use rewire.
why are propellerheads designers/marketing guys so out of touch with reality ?
The RE versions are different than the VST versions. They have CV patch points. In order to be integrated into Reason they need these CV jacks. Reason is a modular system and standard vst type plugins would break that. No one is forcing you to buy the plugins again, anyway. Also about the integration of Record into Reason, why is it such a big deal? Is it that Reason 6 came out a year after Reason 5 and Record 1.5? You could have upgraded to Reason 6 for as low as $1. Also Reason 6 is more efficient than Reason 5 and Record and takes up less space. And there is 64 bit support now.
dude feel free to pay 70 dollars for "polar"
i'll stick to destroy efx for free buffer over rides and literally thousands of sound mangling possibilities in stutter edit for 150.00 minus the cv control thanks
RE looks like a glaring attempt at a cash grab and will most likely be in the toilet like "record" ,unless enough fan boys/rich wealthy dudes shell out for overpriced effects one can get/already own as VST's
dude feel free to pay 70 dollars for "polar"
i'll stick to destroy efx for free buffer over rides and literally thousands of sound mangling possibilities in stutter edit for 150.00 minus the cv control thanks
RE looks like a glaring attempt at a cash grab and will most likely be in the toilet like "record" ,unless enough fan boys/rich wealthy dudes shell out for overpriced effects one can get/already own as VST's
If you don't exclusively use Reason, yeah, it might not make sense. But for those that use nothing but, then the plugs make plenty of sense.
If Reason isn't your main thing, then don't "double buy."
It's kindergarten logic.
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And all this crap reminded me of the ****ing NI Komplete Ultimate scheme (couldn't their marketing ******s grab a dictionary and search for the meaning of KOMPLETE???)
dude feel free to pay 70 dollars for "polar"
i'll stick to destroy efx for free buffer over rides and literally thousands of sound mangling possibilities in stutter edit for 150.00 minus the cv control thanks
RE looks like a glaring attempt at a cash grab and will most likely be in the toilet like "record" ,unless enough fan boys/rich wealthy dudes shell out for overpriced effects one can get/already own as VST's
So it's ok to pay for good plugs for other DAW's, but not for Reason?
And why is it cash grabbing when the Props sell Plugs, but not when other companies do it?
$40 for Buffre seems pretty damned good to me.
And how is Record in the toilet when all they did was integrate it into Reason? RE's are already integrated in to Reason, so are unlikely to be going anywhere.
All I see here is another foot stamping whine thread for the most un-piratable plugin format yet. I can see how that would suck if you are more used to helping yourself to what you want for free from torrent sites.
was bored this evening i just upgraded to 6.5 for the hell of it
then i took a look at the rack extensions.
imagine paying 40 dollars for a buffer over-ride from peff so i can "make other worldly sounds"
please…..
thank god i have reaper and know how to use rewire.
why are propellerheads designers/marketing guys so out of touch with reality ?
So it's ok to pay for good plugs for other DAW's, but not for Reason?
And why is it cash grabbing when the Props sell Plugs, but not when other companies do it?
$40 for Buffre seems pretty damned good to me.
And how is Record in the toilet when all they did was integrate it into Reason? RE's are already integrated in to Reason, so are unlikely to be going anywhere.
All I see here is another foot stamping whine thread for the most un-piratable plugin format yet. I can see how that would suck if you are more used to helping yourself to what you want for free from torrent sites.
IMO when you start defending something by saying that those who are against it must support piracy, you auto-lose.
yea who said anything about stealing plug in's?
all the one's I own I've paid for.
pointing out that destroy efx are free and are awesome plug in's has nothing to do with thievery.
you just played yourself like a wind up toy sonny.
i realize propheads is a proprietary format,but in 2012 it's seemingly a bit antiquated and out of step with the rest of the world.
no midi out,recycle still isn't bundled for full reason users,
no vst support[directly] and when they finally try to modernize for 3rd party tools they charge top dollar and pick pretty mundane stuff to put in THEIR formatted racks.
it's the truth
sorry it hurts
;-)
* continues to stomp feet and tap dance,pirouette all at the same time
Oh.. In that case I had better "Auto win" by saying something like..
"And it teh suxx0rz cuz tehy dont intagratez recicle for free! lullz ^^ 0o IDK wut"
Phew, now im in with the 1337 kids.
Hmm, nice comeback.
Let me try writing it in a way you'll understand:
IMO when you start defending something by saying that those who are against it must support piracy, your choice to fall back on ad hominems pretty much invalidates any arguments you might put forward.
IMO when you start defending something by saying that those who are against it must support piracy, your choice to fall back on ad hominems pretty much invalidates any arguments you might put forward.
Better?
Better would be actually contributing to the topic, rather than self righteously nit picking over lesser details while yourself & the OP conveniently ignore all the important points that debunked his gripes pretty much entirely.
Oh, apart from the lack of midi that is. I agree, that does suck
I don't use reason any more (even though i have 6.5) however i think Rack extensions are a good idea wish i had them in my Reason Peak back in the days of version 2.5
It would be good to think if i did decide to use Reason again that plugins i already own like softube trident EQ would be sold to me at lets say 50% discount.
i recommend to anyone using reason to immediately ditch it for Cubase or Logic. Within about 2 hours you will wonder how you ever used that program.
I use both Cubase and Reason and I do not understand your logic. (lol pun?) There are things Reason can do that Cubase can't and that is why I still use it.
I still think this is a massive missed opportunity for Reason (I own Reason & Cubase btw). Reason is a wicked platform let down by terrible, terrible synths. I love everything about Reason except the synths. RE is a great idea but if you own the soft synth already, you should not have to buy the RE version also.
I have tried to explain this in another thread poorly however let me put this another way. The RE model is essentially doing the following when you buy and install a soft synth, say Korg Legacy for instance. Here is the theoretical install screen where you tick what you want to install -
VST - included
RTAS - included (if compatible)
DX - included (at least when it was still used)
Apple/Logic - included
Reason - $49 extra
I have no idea as to the commercial arrangement entered into between Propellerhead and the developers so no idea where fault lies in this deal however I think it is a mistake and a missed opportunity.
Fair enough that unique, new software should be paid for as this will encourage developers to develop for the platform - my beef is only with software I already own (like Korg Legacy). Who will buy again when they can just Rewire into their DAW and use their existing copy?
was bored this evening i just upgraded to 6.5 for the hell of it
then i took a look at the rack extensions.
imagine paying 40 dollars for a buffer over-ride from peff so i can "make other worldly sounds"
please…..
thank god i have reaper and know how to use rewire.
why are propellerheads designers/marketing guys so out of touch with reality ?
I get the feeling you are upset that you cant get Buffre on torrents. I just dont see the point of this thread.
i've never used a torrent in my life
thanks to all the people who accused me of stealing software
i hope you enjoy shelling out money for nothing with the amazing new RE format!!!!
I used to love using Reason (1.5), but switched to Logic (and Live) because of the crappy synths. Logic is great but there was something so inspiring about the Reason workflow. This is actually tempting me to go back, now that there's third party products to choose from...
EDIT: In fact, I'd go so far as to say that if d16 ever come onboard as RE developers, I'll be jumping in.
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I've always been a believer in musical repetition to draw in the listener and make the music hypnotic.
I used to love using Reason (1.5), but switched to Logic (and Live) because of the crappy synths. Logic is great but there was something so inspiring about the Reason workflow. This is actually tempting me to go back, now that there's third party products to choose from...
EDIT: In fact, I'd go so far as to say that if d16 ever come onboard as RE developers, I'll be jumping in.
You really missed out on Thor, such a great soft synth. It's pretty much the only soft synth I use.
If you don't like RE don't buy them. I love Reason and use it rewired and have not bought a single RE. I don't feel they are what I need but its far from a conspiracy. I use Reason, Live and Sonar so its not fanboism either. I just haven't seen anything besides maybe Radical Pianos worth my dime
yea who said anything about stealing plug in's?
all the one's I own I've paid for.
pointing out that destroy efx are free and are awesome plug in's has nothing to do with thievery.
you just played yourself like a wind up toy sonny.
i realize propheads is a proprietary format,but in 2012 it's seemingly a bit antiquated and out of step with the rest of the world.
no midi out,recycle still isn't bundled for full reason users,
no vst support[directly] and when they finally try to modernize for 3rd party tools they charge top dollar and pick pretty mundane stuff to put in THEIR formatted racks.
it's the truth
sorry it hurts
;-)
* continues to stomp feet and tap dance,pirouette all at the same time
it should be noted that Props don't select the plug ins that are made the developers do and the developers set the prices. All Props really do is quality control and take 30%. If you should be mad at the price of RE you should get mad at the plug in developers. Something that has always thrown me off about these sorts of arguments though is that over the years Props has continuously said that Reason is not a DAW. Its music making software sure and maybe its just me but I see it like a big plug in bundle that happens to contain a sequencer.
i recommend to anyone using reason to immediately ditch it for Cubase or Logic. Within about 2 hours you will wonder how you ever used that program.
Whys that? I've used both. I used SX 2 for a long time and left it for Reason 3. I've used Cubase LE 4 and 6 too. Haven't seen a real reason to upgrade. I have been using Sonar and Live too and haven't seen a reason to sell my license either.
Reason took a big leap in Rack Extensions. In fact, if you look a little harder, you'll see they've been taking big leaps for a long time (the whole patching thing on the back was revolutionary for the time it occurred in, especially considering how stable and minimally impactful to the CPU it was), but more recently, we got Record, which folded into Reason. This gave us SAMPLING any time we wanted it, in a variety of modules throughout the program. Just hit it and go. That was awesome. We can also record audio pretty easily, and even do rudimentary edits on it.
Now, they've unlocked the whole of the developer community to offer plugs with UNIQUE capabilities EXCLUSIVE to the Reason platform that can generally interact and cross modulate ANYTHING in your project.
This is insanely cool, and the tech is pretty seemless.
I'll give you that the plugs are little too expensive for how locked in they are. Yes. Reason doesn't even have MIDI, so why drop the coin if it doesn't want to be a serious DAW?
Well, that's up to you, but last time I checked, I haven't had to pay squat for Reason since version 5. Since then, they've given us some significant improvements and even a free module (through like Oct or whatever).
Upgrades like that in a DAW from 5 to 6.5 would usually cost you 150-200 bucks. I don't think Propellerheads has been greedy here, nor the devs. I don't even think there needs to be parity. I don't expect my UAD plugs to suddenly grow native limbs and climb into my Reason project and get cv dependent grooves going. It'd be nice, but they aren't RE's. That's cool. In the meanwhile, I'll think about what the Reason experience does for my creative workflow, and see if I can't leverage a little more work out with some of these new devices. Yeah, they aren't exactly cheap, but I don't know, I figure if I can have a bunch of unique versions of plugs that are supported forever through PH, that's probably worth it if the plug is that good.
Now. The above said, No MIDI OUT is a CRIME! Come on PH!!!
I still think this is a massive missed opportunity for Reason (I own Reason & Cubase btw). Reason is a wicked platform let down by terrible, terrible synths. I love everything about Reason except the synths. RE is a great idea but if you own the soft synth already, you should not have to buy the RE version also.
I have tried to explain this in another thread poorly however let me put this another way. The RE model is essentially doing the following when you buy and install a soft synth, say Korg Legacy for instance. Here is the theoretical install screen where you tick what you want to install -
VST - included
RTAS - included (if compatible)
DX - included (at least when it was still used)
Apple/Logic - included
Reason - $49 extra
I have no idea as to the commercial arrangement entered into between Propellerhead and the developers so no idea where fault lies in this deal however I think it is a mistake and a missed opportunity.
Fair enough that unique, new software should be paid for as this will encourage developers to develop for the platform - my beef is only with software I already own (like Korg Legacy). Who will buy again when they can just Rewire into their DAW and use their existing copy?
Of course this is a valid argument but it doesn't have anything to do with Propellerhead at all. It is the choice of the developers to charge. I think maybe a small fee since they did have to develop some new coding for their plugins would be understandable but I don't think it's right to charge retail price for a plugin you already own. Perhaps a challenge/response using your serial you already have for the plug would help validate ownership?
If we were talking like $20 per plug I wouldn't be too annoyed. But reading up on what some developers have said about it, there does seem to be a lot of new work involved...I don't know.
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