I don't own any, but I answer you just so you don't feel lonely
I would say the mopho because it has 2 sub oscs.
You can't go wrong with any of them anyway, it depends on your budget !
in terms of price : mopho desktop < minibrute < mopho keys
Mopho's have presets which means you can save half a dozen of sounds for future reuse/live performance, on a minibrute, you'd have to reprogram them from scratch every time.
Minibrute has multimode (LP, BP, HP and Notch) filter, Mopho only has LP .
Minibrute is probably more intuitive as everything is on the front panel, but mopho is increbly powerful in terms of modulation. I doubt you can ever do stuff like this on a minibrute :
For the sounds itself, youtube is your friend. I'm personally getting a mopho, for the exact same usage as you (basses !). Having a keyboard (which takes room, and I won't use) and no presets is a showstopper.
These are my only two mono synths. And will have to agree, the Mopho is better for deep low bass. The minibrute seems to have an analog metallic sound to it. It can still produce raw, and for sure classic aggressive bass, its just not as full IMO as mopho. They each have a cool character though, so Id check out some youtube vids or try them out in person if you can, to see which one suits you better.
yeh for me personally a mopho keyboard + a minibrute would be a better option than a mopho4x with 2 monosynths with hand on controllers. other than that i'd consider a mopho keyboard + a tetra..but i'm a bit worried by the bug/compaints on the tetra i see around to use it as 4 monosynth in a box...comments?
I have the minibrute on order, but currently have the minitaur. I would whole heartily suggest a listen to it, as it's bass is BEASTLY. Also, it can be controlled by any midi keyboard, or as I like to use my iPad!
I have both and have been comparing spending hours creating the same patch on both, in high mid and low registers. The Minibrute can create fat deep bass as well as the Mopho can (not counting the extra subosc on the Mopho), but you need to use fast env setting, and 30% brute overdrive. Matter of fact, keep the Brute overdrive at 30% at all times if you want to match the timbre of the Mophos basic sound. If you're using the triangle wave for bass, the Brutes wave has a little midrange buzz. I filter it out on my mixer with -12db at 1.5khz and the 2 synths sound the same. Of course, the filters are different so if you're using those, the synths can sound worlds apart.
So far, the oscs are nearly identical in most uses (which surprised me as I thought the DCOs would sound worse than the VCOs of the Brute), the pwm sounds the same on both units at the same speed/depth.
I would say the MiniBrute has an edge in envelopes (although Mopho has the edge re: mod routing) as it has the choice of fast or slow envelopes, as well as sliders for the 2 envelopes (although I miss the 3rd env of the Mopho for pitch fx etc).
The Mopho has memory tho which is quite important to many, and touch (volume dynamics) sensitivity, which is also a great feature. I can say Dave Smith Instruments has stellar support so that's a big big plus.
The Brute has a pot, switch or slider for almost every control, whereas the Mopho has lots of menu diving and "shift" buttons with 2 controls per button...which slows you down and is slightly aggravating.
Both are tremendous instruments and can do fat sub bass. The Brute requires time to learn how to get the sounds you want, whereas the Mopho has presets to use as jumping off points. I'd say the Brute will teach you how to really become an excellent patch programmer tho.
I mean I like both...The patch memory is important for me because I produce so much and don't have time to sit and recall patches manually. If the Minibrute had memory I would have already pulled the trigger on one. Until then I'll enjoy my Arturia-less setup
I would have to cast my vote for the mopho, even though i don't own one. I just think that the two dco + two sub osc combo would allow for much more bottom end. and watching demos has made me think about it as well.
i plan on snagging a module version of it if i see a used one going at a good price on ebay...i'm just kind of help back by the expensive editor for it :(
however! i do think that a bpf on the lower frequenices of the minibrute with a sweet spot amount of resonance / brute factor can most definitely have interesting results! then throw in some pwm
.i'm just kind of help back by the expensive editor for [Mopho] :(
The basic editor ("LE") is a free download, and it's all you really need. What they charge for is the "Pro" version that adds a librarian, and patch morphing & genetics. I'll make my own patches thank you, and there's plenty of other solutions for backing up patches, many of them free.
I've owned both and although I no longer on the Minibrute (great synth it just wasn't for me) I still own the MoPho and for pure bass I think the MoPho is a no brainer!
I've owned both and although I no longer on the Minibrute (great synth it just wasn't for me) I still own the MoPho and for pure bass I think the MoPho is a no brainer!
It does have a great bass sound for modern bass. For leads and arps, however, the Brute wins hands down just because of it's true VCO vintage nonlinear sound quality.
I mean I like both...The patch memory is important for me because I produce so much and don't have time to sit and recall patches manually. If the Minibrute had memory I would have already pulled the trigger on one. Until then I'll enjoy my Arturia-less setup
Seeing as you also have a Phatty I was wondering how the mopho stood up against the moog in pure bass dept?
I been thinking of replacing my phatty since I've basically only been using it for bass and kick duties.
Owned both and ended up selling the Mopho, didn't like the envelops on it. I always ended up programing patches that you could hear the click of the oscillator from it being off 0 or 180 degrees. even with turning up the attack a bit on amp and filter it would still click and if that happened when a kick drum was hitting there would be an increase in bass. pissed me off to no end. kept the minibrute as this has not been an issue for me. not to plug my music, but if you check out my soundcloud you can hear both of them working bass duties, Faded Love is the Minibrute and Drive v.2 is the Mopho. http://soundcloud.com/emery_sieczko
isnt the sizzle of the bass from the higher frequencies in it? without those its just a sine wave,
and
isnt the bass supposed be a bit higher then the bass drum? if its too low it seems to interfere with the bassdrum, and that's usually not very good,
I'm assuming this is in reply to my post.
The higher frequencies on the mopho was a saw osc and the sub osc was a square with an envelope controlling cutoff. The minibrute was all waveforms mixed in with the sub oscillator set to square with an envelope controlling the metalizer and filter cutoff.
So without those there is no sine, only waveforms that produce upper harmonics were used.
And while my composition and engineering can be much better, there is no rule that the bass should be higher than the kick. In a lot of music the bass sits lower than the kick. btw, I tried tuning my kick higher and switching it out and vice versa and still had same problems.
Either way, the click of the oscillator on the mopho was too much for me to work with. Probably something I was doing wrong, but it has been noted by other mopho users that it does exist.
Also I didn't really hear much of a difference (in bass) with both synths playing straight sine waves. Although on the mopho you have the ability to set up the osc's to cover 4 different octaves at once if you want so that's something to think about.
Just depends on what you like more cause plenty of people get along fine with the mopho...
I don't have a the Minibrute, but if I had to create a bass with it, I'd use the hpf at low setting with high resonance. Then you'd probably get something very 'bassy'.
ohh, i wasnt really posting in response to anyone, just a thought,
i have an evolver n minibrute, and i noticed that the evolver sounds really analog in certain ways,,, i think due to the digital oscs, its a bit ironic, they give this top end sizzle to the analog,
i had an omega, by studio electronics, very good for bass, it was too big in a lot ways, i had a hardtime making it sir in a mix, it took too much space,
the minibrute does bass pretty well, more in the 80s single osc style, i like it,
made this last night, using the minibrute as a bass, it was just a jam, nothing thought out,
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