27th July 2012
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#31 | | Gear addict
Joined: Jul 2007 Location: Perth, Australia
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Originally Posted by Ben F  Knif Vari-mu  | Ben
I think you said before you have also used the Phoenix - how does the sound of the Knif compare to the Phoenix?
cheers
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27th July 2012
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#32 | | Gear addict
Joined: Oct 2007 Location: The Netherlands
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What is this nonsense of compressors having to be all-round anyway?
Compressors are like pokemon.
You gotta catch them all!
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27th July 2012
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#33 | | Lives for gear
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A Designs Nail. Punchy envelope shaping machine, doesn't mess with the low end.
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27th July 2012
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#34 | | Gear maniac
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Definitely my Chandler Limited TG1.
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27th July 2012
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#35 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Originally Posted by Kindred Ben
I think you said before you have also used the Phoenix - how does the sound of the Knif compare to the Phoenix?
cheers | Cleaner and more versatile, subtle. Sounds expensive. Beautifully made.
Although both would still be nice! I still use a Manley Vari-mu as well, but sold the Phoenix to fund the Knif.
For electronic music the Elysia Alpha is the best I've heard.
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27th July 2012
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#36 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by soundsfromsound Definitely my Chandler Limited TG1. | Chandlers are nice. 
Worked in a studio for a while that had a Zener, I really miss it, especially for drum bus. Shout out to the STC-8, Vari-Mu and Smart C2 also. All awesome.
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27th July 2012
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#37 | | Gear maniac
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It absolutely OWNS as a drumbus compressor imo.
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27th July 2012
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#38 | | Lives for gear
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Thread Starter | Quote:
Originally Posted by fuse What is this nonsense of compressors having to be all-round anyway?
Compressors are like pokemon.
You gotta catch them all! | Nonsense...............right.........
We all have a fav compressor and all round comp???...
I am sure we do!!
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#39 | | Lives for gear
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Distressor. There are other amazing comps I haven't tried like the Alta Moda Unicomp for eg that I want to pick up when I can afford it. The Distressor is the only comp I plan to keep for as long as I'm in music though. It lives pretty much hard wired to my Voyager. The distortion modes are fantastic and work on nearly everything without being overkill. God bless you Dave Derr!
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#40 | | Gear addict
Joined: Jul 2012 Location: Los Angeles
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definitely lots of good recommendations here, but i'm surprised no one has mentioned the RNC? FMR Audio RNC 1773 REALLY NICE COMPRESSOR
tons of bang for the buck; i loved using this on the master.
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27th July 2012
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#41 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by nms Distressor. There are other amazing comps I haven't tried like the Alta Moda Unicomp for eg that I want to pick up when I can afford it. The Distressor is the only comp I plan to keep for as long as I'm in music though. It lives pretty much hard wired to my Voyager. The distortion modes are fantastic and work on nearly everything without being overkill. God bless you Dave Derr! | yeah I have 4 of them and its not enough.
no wonder this thing has sold more then 20,000 units such a great comp.
just nuke it i say
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27th July 2012
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#42 | | Gear addict
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RNC is nice but to put on a masterbus usually will choke the highs if you're not careful with the compression.
But you just made me think about Dave Hill's Titan compressor which possibly could be a nice contender here. (And one of the few compressors I could lust for atm.)
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28th July 2012
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#43 | | Gear addict
Joined: Jul 2007 Location: Perth, Australia
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Originally Posted by Ben F Cleaner and more versatile, subtle. Sounds expensive. Beautifully made.
Although both would still be nice! I still use a Manley Vari-mu as well, but sold the Phoenix to fund the Knif.
For electronic music the Elysia Alpha is the best I've heard. | Ben...I bought my Phoenix partially on your strong recommendation...please DO NOT tempt me with another expensive compressor....aaaarggghhh
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28th July 2012
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#44 | | Lives for gear
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Thread Starter | Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben F Cleaner and more versatile, subtle. Sounds expensive. Beautifully made.
Although both would still be nice! I still use a Manley Vari-mu as well, but sold the Phoenix to fund the Knif.
For electronic music the Elysia Alpha is the best I've heard. | at 10k a pop they will have to wait,, sorry Alpha.
$4k per channel is already over the top for me and I still need 4 more compressors
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28th July 2012
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#45 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by MrTechno at 10k a pop they will have to wait,, sorry Alpha.
$4k per channel is already over the top for me and I still need 4 more compressors | I think distressors work very well when mixing electronic music, say on the kick/snare.
Other than that, I prefer using EQ for tone and colour these days, everything is already so compressed that comes in for mastering...plus most electronic music these days is produced using samples that have been compressed already, so you would be in fact reducing the impact. EQ done properly adds punch and opens sounds up. The tone of the EQ reacts to sound transients differently, so it can be tough sounding or give forward mids and shimmering highs.
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28th July 2012
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#46 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Nov 2009 Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Ben F I think distressors work very well when mixing electronic music, say on the kick/snare.. | I disagree on dance music kicks. That's also one area where people use processed samples most often. Have you had luck there? Great for snares though. You're forgetting though.. SYNTHS! Bass & leads.. particularly when they're digital and starving for the analog touch. You don't need to do more than tickle the compressor if you want. The 2nd & 3rd harmonic distortion modes alone are gold and seem to work on everything. It does a fantastic job of giving my Voyager a bit more grit.
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28th July 2012
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#47 | | Lives for gear
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Thread Starter | Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben F I think distressors work very well when mixing electronic music, say on the kick/snare.
Other than that, I prefer using EQ for tone and colour these days, everything is already so compressed that comes in for mastering...plus most electronic music these days is produced using samples that have been compressed already, so you would be in fact reducing the impact. EQ done properly adds punch and opens sounds up. The tone of the EQ reacts to sound transients differently, so it can be tough sounding or give forward mids and shimmering highs. | however you are assuming i use samples.
and even if I did use samples I would still need my distressor to glue the sounds together??? am I missing something here??
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#48 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by nms I disagree on dance music kicks. That's also one area where people use processed samples most often. Have you had luck there? Great for snares though. You're forgetting though.. SYNTHS! Bass & leads.. particularly when they're digital and starving for the analog touch. You don't need to do more than tickle the compressor if you want. The 2nd & 3rd harmonic distortion modes alone are gold and seem to work on everything. It does a fantastic job of giving my Voyager a bit more grit. | This cat makes it sound like we electronic producers do not need compressors.
Just purchase samples and be done with it???
Like I said before even if I did use samples all over my track i would still compress.
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28th July 2012
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#49 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jun 2008 Location: Finland |
2 x Empirical Labs Distressor EL8-X
What the Distressor can't handle, my API 2500 can. A killer combo if you ask me...
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28th July 2012
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#50 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jun 2008 Location: Finland | Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben F I think distressors work very well when mixing electronic music, say on the kick/snare. | Distressor KILLS on drum bus.
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28th July 2012
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#51 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jun 2008 Location: Finland | Quote:
Originally Posted by nebelfrau People use the 2500 for more than just drums these days? | Drums work great with 2500. Mix bus and vocals also sound great through 2500.
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28th July 2012
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#52 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by kraku Drums work great with 2500. Mix bus and vocals also sound great through 2500. | finally some love for the 2500, thought I was alone, this is an amazing compressor and in combo with my distressors just awesome.
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29th July 2012
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#53 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Oct 2011
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3630  lol!
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29th July 2012
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#54 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Originally Posted by MrTechno This cat makes it sound like we electronic producers do not need compressors.
Just purchase samples and be done with it???
Like I said before even if I did use samples all over my track i would still compress. | What I was saying is that you don't need that much hardware compression when mixing. ITB can do most of that. Just a versatile unit that can be used on individual parts when recording synths and then maybe on the drum or master bus for mix down.
When I used to mix, i just had a couple of distressors, C2 and LA-2A. The rest was ITB. Then in mastering i used the best outboard available. It's very expensive, and you generally dont need that level of high end gear for mixing. for the money it costs it's probably less expensive to pay for mastering. Decent Conversion is expensive as well!
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29th July 2012
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#55 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 971
Thread Starter | Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben F What I was saying is that you don't need that much hardware compression when mixing. ITB can do most of that. Just a versatile unit that can be used on individual parts when recording synths and then maybe on the drum or master bus for mix down.
When I used to mix, i just had a couple of distressors, C2 and LA-2A. The rest was ITB. Then in mastering i used the best outboard available. It's very expensive, and you generally dont need that level of high end gear for mixing. for the money it costs it's probably less expensive to pay for mastering. Decent Conversion is expensive as well! | yeah well maybe I am crazy each of my channels on my SSL has compression and EQ and I still am chasing outboard.
It's like anything really, do you really need it??
Oh I know it is expensive, very expensive.
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29th July 2012
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#56 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Oct 2009 Location: Paris
Posts: 805
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Originally Posted by Ben F I think distressors work very well when mixing electronic music, say on the kick/snare.
Other than that, I prefer using EQ for tone and colour these days, everything is already so compressed that comes in for mastering...plus most electronic music these days is produced using samples that have been compressed already, so you would be in fact reducing the impact. EQ done properly adds punch and opens sounds up. The tone of the EQ reacts to sound transients differently, so it can be tough sounding or give forward mids and shimmering highs. | Ben what eq you would suggest ?
agree about the distressor sounds are perfect for punchy electronic music..
i would like a alpha if it was not so expensive..killer combo
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