16th July 2012
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#1 | | Gear interested
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Thread Starter | ABL2 (tb 303 emulator)
Hello guys,
I would talk about audiorealism abl2 ; i hope to see just helpful comments and not the something like "buy a 303" .. 
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16th July 2012
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#2 | | Lives for gear
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It doesn't sound quite like a 303. Reminiscent of. I think you should just accept that.
No one really cares if the sound comes from an original 303. Just make it sound good.
Do you have a particular need to sound like the original?
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17th July 2012
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#4 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by innoz  mmm yeah maybe u have reason and i have to accept!
But why in some digital tracks (where im sure the producer dont have a real 303) the sounds seems real ... maybe is better if i post some example: Rio Padice - Waxin Crescent - YouTube (around 2,28 , maybe could be an sh101? because honestly i dont know how do that sound with vsts) | Are you sure this guy doesn't have a 303 or hardware in general?The sound is a
square wave washed in chorus, then some delay added.
The key to make something sound like a 303 is to mimic the slide part of its sequencer as close as possible.You can raise a few eyebrows if you program some strategically placed portamendo in a DAW using a soft synth with a simple square wave.
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#5 | | Lives for gear
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oli is spot on imo--and i wouldn't worry about it
the 303 plugins tend to fall apart when pressed to extremes, whereas a real 303 holds it together. by fall apart i mean the plugin sound is no longer 303 like but obviously synthetic and digital.
however if you stay in the 'zone', the plugins are very faithful
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#6 | | Lives for gear
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I have heard that D16's Psychoson is more close to the original than ABL2. But again, once you put distortion on it they all kinda sound similar.
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#7 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by crufty oli is spot on imo--and i wouldn't worry about it
the 303 plugins tend to fall apart when pressed to extremes, whereas a real 303 holds it together. by fall apart i mean the plugin sound is no longer 303 like but obviously synthetic and digital.
however if you stay in the 'zone', the plugins are very faithful | That too Innoz.As long as you don't go crazy with resonance you'll be fine.
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#8 | | Lives for gear
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D16's Phoscyon is the best of the virtual 303s.
That last track is mos probably an SH-101 being triggered by the 707 he's using. With a 303 coming in a little later. The first 2 are also most likely an SH-101.
Quite honestly, it's actually difficult to get that Roland square wave sound. They just have this sweet hollowness to them. Very pure sounding. I know D16 is working on an SH-101 VST, but its been in the works for almost 2 years now. So who knows when it'll actually get done. There's a reason why they're still popular =o]
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17th July 2012
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#9 | | Lives for gear
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i like abl a lot! i think its one of the best softwareclones avaliable!!!
also its distortion/overdrive fit quite good to its sound!!!
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17th July 2012
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#10 | | Gear for Lives.
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Originally Posted by Arcadia I have heard that D16's Psychoson is more close to the original than ABL2. But again, once you put distortion on it they all kinda sound similar. | I would say it is, plus it has pre-filter distortion and a nice arp and the "battery low" detune mode, maybe not 100% authentic but it is good. The only other one that impressed me was ABL pro
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18th July 2012
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#11 | | Gear addict
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run the AB through a 1272 with a bit of grit. I think it sounds very damn close.
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18th July 2012
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#12 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by innoz Hello guys,
I would talk about audiorealism abl2 ; i hope to see just helpful comments and not the something like "buy a 303" ..
A | Well buying a 303 is kinda pointless unless you have the cash about $2-3kUS, but there are some hardware clones around like the x0xb0x and Future Retro Revolution that can be had.
The v303's I have heard cannot reproduce the subtleties like the glide among other things.
Having said that, if you are using it as your main sequence it may be an issue but as a supplemental sound the VST should do fine.
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18th July 2012
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#14 | | Gear interested
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Maybe if u want , we can try to do something similar (with abl or phoscyon) and try to see the results?
Im doing it!
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18th July 2012
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#15 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by innoz Maybe if u want , we can try to do something similar (with abl or phoscyon) and try to see the results?
Im doing it! | do it!
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18th July 2012
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#17 | | Gear interested
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try now the links....pls i need opinions!!! (its just a loop made in 10mins)
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18th July 2012
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#18 | | Gear addict
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If you want to make a fat bass like the one in the track of Rio Padice consider a Roland JX8P or an MKS-50, both have the nasty and noisy chorus that it's very characteristic!
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#19 | | Lives for gear
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I think Phoscyon is the best sounding software 303. It is what I use since I got rid of my Future Retro. I do not work with that sound enough to need the hardware and price but Phoscyon sounds great and I enjoy using it more. Doesn't sound as big and mean as the real thing though. The squelch from a real analog is way more present and intense sounding.
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#20 | | Lives for gear
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D16's Phoscyon is great. However I really liked the first skin they used that actually looked like a TB-303, it just made for a better feel. I'm sure they changed it at Roland Corp's request. I'm still a fan of ReBirth, I wish someone would revamp that as a VST.  | |
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19th July 2012
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#21 | | Lives for acid
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I like both of these emulations. I find Phoscyon better at the highly resonant tweaky stuff, and ABL2 better at the bassy low end stuff.
Robert Babicz uses ABL2 during his live sets in place of a real 303. If it's good enough for the king of acid, it's good enough for me 
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19th July 2012
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#22 | | Gear interested
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Originally Posted by networkacid I like both of these emulations. I find Phoscyon better at the highly resonant tweaky stuff, and ABL2 better at the bassy low end stuff.
Robert Babicz uses ABL2 during his live sets in place of a real 303. If it's good enough for the king of acid, it's good enough for me |
haha r u serious about babicz?
no because if is good for him , and good for you , so its good for me too!
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19th July 2012
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#23 | | Lives for gear
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D16 is having a big sale right now.
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19th July 2012
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#24 | | Gear maniac
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Originally Posted by Popbott D16's Phoscyon is great. However I really liked the first skin they used that actually looked like a TB-303, it just made for a better feel. I'm sure they changed it at Roland Corp's request. I'm still a fan of ReBirth, I wish someone would revamp that as a VST. | Before I did a fresh install on my system I managed to keep the old skin when I updated, where they changed the look. I'm on a Mac but, I think it was just a case of pulling out the artwork folder and switching it back after.
I found that running them out and into an external distortion adds a bit more to the sound. I think a little bit of noise does help.
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#25 | | Lives for gear
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Slight tangent, but I have been checking out some x0b0xr0ck3r videos on youtube and I absolutely love it.
I know little about acid so I don't know if it's considered good stuff or not but it's so hypnotic I could spend hours watching and listening to it.
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19th July 2012
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#26 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Popbott D16's Phoscyon is great. However I really liked the first skin they used that actually looked like a TB-303, it just made for a better feel. I'm sure they changed it at Roland Corp's request. I'm still a fan of ReBirth, I wish someone would revamp that as a VST. | years ago when i still used windows, i did that:
Rebirth-->Rebirth input machine-->Reason-->Rewire-->DAW
worked fine for me...and i had no need for vst!
cheers
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19th July 2012
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#27 | | Gear nut
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Originally Posted by Popbott D16's Phoscyon is great. However I really liked the first skin they used that actually looked like a TB-303, it just made for a better feel. I'm sure they changed it at Roland Corp's request. I'm still a fan of ReBirth, I wish someone would revamp that as a VST. | rebirth is fun but it sounds weak for its 303...
Phosycon is great but not quit right on some areas, ABL is not quite right in different areas but better in some etc... Anyway, good MXR Distortion+ is the key if you really want 'that' 303 sound.
You can make general acid sounds with many things though....
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19th July 2012
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#28 | | Gear nut
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Originally Posted by networkacid I like both of these emulations. I find Phoscyon better at the highly resonant tweaky stuff, and ABL2 better at the bassy low end stuff.
Robert Babicz uses ABL2 during his live sets in place of a real 303. If it's good enough for the king of acid, it's good enough for me | just replied to the post above, that sums up the strengths of both quite well imo!
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