Axiom Pro not working for 3rd party plugins

[ezelkow1]

I thought it depends on what mode you have the axiom in. You can either have it in hypercontrol mode, in which it will automap to the first available parameters and have them scrollable in the menu. Or you turn off hypercontrol in which case it acts as a standard midi controller and you can map controllers specifically to certain controls.

I have a pro49 and I usually leave mine in hypercontrol mode, if I want to use something in a synth in ableton hit the config popout, make sure the control shows up in there, then its good to go in hypercontrol. Maybe after that then map it to a knob on a rack

I would check the manual/pdf or whatever thing that says how to set it up with ableton, theres a specific way your supposed to have them setup so everything works with hypercontrol

[Synthpark]

I never use Hypercontrol.

I use it in Logic. It works with 3rd party plugins.
I just use the first setting (Pro-Tools something)
It's ok.

[_Haarp]

Easy fix in Ableton for 3rd party plug ins for Axiom.

In the Ableton interface, click configure, on the plug interface (as in the one Ableton uses, with the x/y block), choose 8 parameters, now they will be mapped to the 8 knobs. Done.

[ahmo]

The Axiom pro's are nice but they don't receive midi clock from their midi input and transmit that to the DAW (Reason or Ableton I think are the few that can receieve it.)

I have contacted them via their forums and they acknowledged the issue but no updates have come out.

Just in case someone attempts it and doesn;t know why it doesn't work.

[Starfox]

Originally Posted by _Haarp

Easy fix in Ableton for 3rd party plug ins for Axiom.

In the Ableton interface, click configure, on the plug interface (as in the one Ableton uses, with the x/y block), choose 8 parameters, now they will be mapped to the 8 knobs. Done.

How exactly do i choose these 8 parameters? i got as far as configure, i followed the info on configure in the help section on ableton, but nothing, sylenth faders, knobs still not responding

[Myrok Rolles]

Originally Posted by Starfox

How exactly do i choose these 8 parameters? i got as far as configure, i followed the info on configure in the help section on ableton, but nothing, sylenth faders, knobs still not responding

In ableton:

1. Load Plugin on Mid-Track

2. Use the little -> arrow next to the wrench tool to expand the vst box in the effect rack, which will reveal a gray box with a "configure" option.

3. Open the vst

4. Hit configure, and move the functions that you want to control. These functions should now appear as simple sliders in that gray space.

5. Hit "midi" in the top right corner of ableton, this should turn all midi functions blue, including those new sliders we just made.

6. Click on the function you want to control, then move the control you want to control it with. Repeat for each function you want to control.

7. Press "midi" again to lock controls in place. Move the controls until their value corresponds with the midi value of the slider it is controlling, and now you have control.

[_Haarp]

Nooooo, you dont need to do that with the axiom.

You just need to select them so the sliders appear, don't midi map them,the 1st 8 parameters you choose will be assigned to the dirctlink controls.

Just follow up to step 4, choose them, press configure again, done, as long as the blue hand control surface icon is active it will map them just for that instrument.

[ezelkow1]

^ This

Its what I was getting at with using the configure thing. You can have more than 8 parameters as well. If you go beyond 8 there are the scroll buttons on the axiom to scroll through the screen at 8 parameters at a time

[Myrok Rolles]

Originally Posted by _Haarp

Nooooo, you dont need to do that with the axiom.

You just need to select them so the sliders appear, don't midi map them,the 1st 8 parameters you choose will be assigned to the dirctlink controls.

Just follow up to step 4, choose them, press configure again, done, as long as the blue hand control surface icon is active it will map them just for that instrument.

Yeahhh but then you don't get to map multiple sliders and controls to a single slider, etc... and you don't get to choose which controls control what, which is pretty important.

[_Haarp]

Originally Posted by Myrok Rolles

Yeahhh but then you don't get to map multiple sliders and controls to a single slider, etc... and you don't get to choose which controls control what, which is pretty important.

You can and you do. The axiom maps always to the 8 macro controls of any rack device, not just one, but every single rack device you have, you just choose it with the blue hand.

You do choose, you choose 8 parameters )or more) and then its mapped to the 8 knobs, for every single plug in you can do this, not just once, not just 8 controls for an entire set. 8 controls or more for every single device.

To use Abletons internal system to midi map is to totally miss the point of control surfaces and directlink.

[Myrok Rolles]

Originally Posted by _Haarp

You can and you do. The axiom maps always to the 8 macro controls of any rack device, not just one, but every single rack device you have, you just choose it with the blue hand.

You do choose, you choose 8 parameters )or more) and then its mapped to the 8 knobs, for every single plug in you can do this, not just once, not just 8 controls for an entire set. 8 controls or more for every single device.

To use Abletons internal system to midi map is to totally miss the point of control surfaces and directlink.

You missed my point... since the axiom always maps to the first 8 macros of a rack device you can't control multiple fx or synth controls from multiple channels at once... obviously you can just make an audio effect rack, and map the fx controls within a single channel to the macros that you want, but that doens't allow you to control more than one channel at a time.... also it doens't allow you to control the synth on the channel and the fx at the same time, which is vital.

example:

I want a single knob to increase the different delays I have on all my tracks (just wet / dry), but each of the delays has its own feedback and ratio setttings. Also, some of the delays are coming straight from the synth and from third party plugs. I also want the same knob to bring the pitch up on some other channels at the same time, and why not tweak the distortion amount on one of my fx sends too while i'm at it. Good look doing that with directlink.

[Macky]

Are Hypercontrol and Directlink two different protocols then?

[Myrok Rolles]

Originally Posted by Macky

Are Hypercontrol and Directlink two different protocols then?

I don't know if protocol is the right word but yes they refer to different methods of function. Direct link is what was being talked about, the little blue hand that shows functions are automatically mapped to the controls depending on which device is selected (apc40 style).. Hyper control (I've never heard this marketing term so I might be wrong) refers to the "learn" capabilities of the controls.

I still say you should map to things on your own, it allows you to be so much more creative and flexible with your fx and synths.

[_Haarp]

Originally Posted by Myrok Rolles

You missed my point... since the axiom always maps to the first 8 macros of a rack device you can't control multiple fx or synth controls from multiple channels at once... obviously you can just make an audio effect rack, and map the fx controls within a single channel to the macros that you want, but that doens't allow you to control more than one channel at a time.... also it doens't allow you to control the synth on the channel and the fx at the same time, which is vital.

example:

I want a single knob to increase the different delays I have on all my tracks (just wet / dry), but each of the delays has its own feedback and ratio setttings. Also, some of the delays are coming straight from the synth and from third party plugs. I also want the same knob to bring the pitch up on some other channels at the same time, and why not tweak the distortion amount on one of my fx sends too while i'm at it. Good look doing that with directlink.

No mate, you missed the point he was asking how to get diretclink to work, so he could control all instruments. He wasn't asking for mapping tips.

[Starfox]

Well either way, thanks allot for telling me how to do this you know i posted the same question on the ableton forum and m-audio and not even a single response!

Im going to put together a template so every time i load ableton up i will have these settings, will i have to save the 3rd party plugins in a different way? or will it just work if i save my project as a template for future projects?

[Starfox]

Originally Posted by Myrok Rolles

In ableton:

1. Load Plugin on Mid-Track

2. Use the little -> arrow next to the wrench tool to expand the vst box in the effect rack, which will reveal a gray box with a "configure" option.

3. Open the vst

4. Hit configure, and move the functions that you want to control. These functions should now appear as simple sliders in that gray space.

5. Hit "midi" in the top right corner of ableton, this should turn all midi functions blue, including those new sliders we just made.

6. Click on the function you want to control, then move the control you want to control it with. Repeat for each function you want to control.

7. Press "midi" again to lock controls in place. Move the controls until their value corresponds with the midi value of the slider it is controlling, and now you have control.

Thanks for that, but how exactly do i do this so i can control each plugin separately, you see when i do what you say to each plugin, on playback when i turn a knob to control the cut off on sylenth for example, it also controls every other parameter that i have the same encoder mapped to on different plugins.

I want to be able to use my midi controller to control each plugin or mixer ect seperately

[Myrok Rolles]

Originally Posted by Starfox

Thanks for that, but how exactly do i do this so i can control each plugin separately, you see when i do what you say to each plugin, on playback when i turn a knob to control the cut off on sylenth for example, it also controls every other parameter that i have the same encoder mapped to on different plugins.

I want to be able to use my midi controller to control each plugin or mixer ect seperately

Well this is where directlink comes into play, when you map functions the way i described the controls are dedicated to whatever you put them on, so there's not much you can do.

Basically you get to make the fun choice of:

A.) Control different parameters from different tracks / lanes and synths / fx units at the same time using the "learn" method.

Pros:

- Ability to make more creative use of your controller, i.e. more advanced custom mappings
- Control the synth parameters and the fx at the same time
- Control multiple synths / seperate tracks at once
- Don't need to reference the screen to know what controls are engaged

Cons:

- Once something is "learned" to a control, it will stay with it until you "unlearn" it.
- More limited by the number of functions you can control on the fly because you can't just swap to the next rack unit and have a whole new set of controls defined


B.) Use hyperlink and control your synth or your fx at the same time, but be limited to only controlling a single track / lane at a time.

Pros:

- Simple to use and understand, automaps the controls to your fingertips
- Have a wider range of use for your controller because the functions are constantly changing
- Make us of Audio FX Rack Macros to easily control multiple fx parameters at once

Cons:

- Only control the synth or the fx, not both at the same time
- More or less impossible to use without staring at the screen and knowing what function you are linked to since it is constantly changing everyime you change tracks / devices
- Only control one channel at a time

[Starfox]

Originally Posted by Myrok Rolles

Well this is where directlink comes into play, when you map functions the way i described the controls are dedicated to whatever you put them on, so there's not much you can do.

Basically you get to make the fun choice of:

A.) Control different parameters from different tracks / lanes and synths / fx units at the same time using the "learn" method.

Pros:

- Ability to make more creative use of your controller, i.e. more advanced custom mappings
- Control the synth parameters and the fx at the same time
- Control multiple synths / seperate tracks at once
- Don't need to reference the screen to know what controls are engaged

Cons:

- Once something is "learned" to a control, it will stay with it until you "unlearn" it.
- More limited by the number of functions you can control on the fly because you can't just swap to the next rack unit and have a whole new set of controls defined


B.) Use hyperlink and control your synth or your fx at the same time, but be limited to only controlling a single track / lane at a time.

Pros:

- Simple to use and understand, automaps the controls to your fingertips
- Have a wider range of use for your controller because the functions are constantly changing
- Make us of Audio FX Rack Macros to easily control multiple fx parameters at once

Cons:

- Only control the synth or the fx, not both at the same time
- More or less impossible to use without staring at the screen and knowing what function you are linked to since it is constantly changing everyime you change tracks / devices
- Only control one channel at a time

O right, well nothings perfect, yet :P guess ill have to work around this and just use learn, and 'unlearn' when i need to, a bit tedious but better than no control i guess

Thanks!