Didn't Two Step sort of evolve out of Speed Garage?
Man I loved Speed Garage and Big Beat. Not sure on the simularities of BB and Dubstep though.
I remember reading somewhere that the high pitched tones in Bro step were similar to rock guitars so that's why they attract the same crowd. Computer music mag I think.
Didn't Two Step sort of evolve out of Speed Garage?
Man I loved Speed Garage and Big Beat. Not sure on the simularities of BB and Dubstep though. Big Beat had alot of guitars and distorted drum loops, Dub Step just seems to have alot of high pitched noises and beeps.
I think the similarities I see are the energy elements- They both have a very "rock" vibe and they hit the one beat harder than many genres, if that makes sense.
I thought it might be interesting AND informative (for everyone) for us to discuss the evolution of genres.
We're all so fond of crapping on older genres, but in truth, many new ones have their DNA in older genres.
This may sound odd, but perosnally I find Dubstep and BigBeat to share a lot of traits (definately shares the kind of listener... almost like it's EDM for the masses)
What do you all think?
Is there Dubstep without BigBeat?
Deadmua5 without A Guy Called Gerald?
-andrews
Not trying to pick a fight but..
I see no similarity. I see no rock vibe, you are talking about Brostep. Not Dubstep. Before anyone says "OMGZ who is the coki noob, why should i.."
People write based on influences, it's going to carry across on some level.
Brostep even more so... but, you're right because "Dubstep" has been used to label A LOT, I can pull all sorts of "Dubstep" that is really "Brostep," but you get the point. The heavy bass hit on one and drums have that BigBeat vibe... not to mention it seems like it shared an audience (generationally, that is).
But, that's just one example, the thread is looking for other similarities people notice.
No music is made in a vaccum (except Vaccum-step).
Brostep even more so... but, you're right because "Dubstep" has been used to label A LOT, I can pull all sorts of "Dubstep" that is really "Brostep," but you get the point. The heavy bass hit on one and drums have that BigBeat vibe... not to mention it seems like it shared an audience (generationally, that is).
Yeah ok, as long as people reading this understand that. It shared an audience generational but take my word for it, not culturally, the people at a Bigbeat night and a (Dub)Dubstep night could not be further apart, nearly polar opposites, thats how it was here anyway. Like comparing the crowds at a Dead Kennedy's gig to the crowd at a Tori Amos gig.
BigBeat? In the UK at least bigbeat is things like Fatboy Slim and the Freestylers, early Chemical Brothers......115 bpm funk breaks with scratching etc related to hip hop...
Dubstep the way I see it is influenced by Drum and Bass, Dub, 2 Step, Garage - but there are many styles of Dubstep...some are close to deep house...even minimal techno...shoegaze...(Mount Kimbie)...
Im not sure how Deadmua5 is related to A Guy Called Gerald...
anyone who has been clubbing in the UK esp london over the last 15 years knows where dubstep came from...and it aint from big beat! lol. people have used cut up vocals in dance music since acid house.
In the uk there is a fairly obvious journey in dance music up to this point...
outside of the uk - europe and the US - bits of dance music filtered thru (big beat having a slight commercial success late 90s)-but whole scenes such as Garage, 2 Step likely didnt even get heard......in France they had their own groove with House. The modern Ed Banger sound didnt influence Dubstep. Dubstep was happening in the clubs before Ed Banger.
*BT did great trance...is there tiesto w/out BT? woah...*mind blown*
These are perfect examples of what I was talking about (thanks for doing all the work)
I may have made a symantics error with "Dubstep," but hopefully everyone gets the point.
And someone asked about the connection between DeadMau5 and A Guy Called Gerald... that's me just being cheeky, there's another thread about that and A Guy Called Gerald railing on deadmu5's recent tirade on "live" music.
Sometimes I wish we weren't all so beholden to genres and labels though. I don't know about you all, but I love to pull from various influences.
I'm not sure I've ever heard "dubstep". I'm familiar with Skrillex, apparently he's "brostep". I've heard other music refereed to as dubstep but it sounds similar to the Skrillex stuff with the wobbles and the vocal/formant screeches.
This... was seriously the first "dubstep" I had actually heard.
BigBeat? In the UK at least bigbeat is things like Fatboy Slim and the Freestylers, early Chemical Brothers......115 bpm funk breaks with scratching etc related to hip hop...
Dubstep the way I see it is influenced by Drum and Bass, Dub, 2 Step, Garage - but there are many styles of Dubstep...some are close to deep house...even minimal techno...shoegaze...(Mount Kimbie)...
Im not sure how Deadmua5 is related to A Guy Called Gerald...
I would agree with you on this, of course there was one other act that figured big into the big beat sound at one time and that was Crystal Method.
( I just saw someone posted Crystal Method as well, that's what I get for responding without reading the rest of the posts )
You are pretty spot on on Dubstep as speed Garage came out of Garage and Speed Garage with Drum N Bass became 2 step and 2 step with a little dub tossed in got rechristened Dubstep.
I don't even want to get into the whole DeadMau5 thing or the fight going on over A Guy Called Gerald's obvious hate. Except to say what I said in another thread.
Are Dubstep fanatics just now realizing how much junglists/Drum N Bass heads tend to really hate Dubstep?
That whole thing goes all the way back to 2 step.
Are Dubstep fanatics just now realizing how much junglists/Drum N Bass heads tend to really hate Dubstep?
That whole thing goes all the way back to 2 step.
do DnB heads hate dubstep? I suppose it wouldnt suprise me...
I would agree with you on this, of course there was one other act that figured big into the big beat sound at one time and that was Crystal Method.
( I just saw someone posted Crystal Method as well, that's what I get for responding without reading the rest of the posts )
You are pretty spot on on Dubstep as speed Garage came out of Garage and Speed Garage with Drum N Bass became 2 step and 2 step with a little dub tossed in got rechristened Dubstep.
I don't even want to get into the whole DeadMau5 thing or the fight going on over A Guy Called Gerald's obvious hate. Except to say what I said in another thread.
Are Dubstep fanatics just now realizing how much junglists/Drum N Bass heads tend to really hate Dubstep?
That whole thing goes all the way back to 2 step.
Speed Garage is 4x4 music...dubstep was born when garage was made dark, minimal, and bass heavy.
do DnB heads hate dubstep? I suppose it wouldnt suprise me...
Well, on the Dogs On Acid forum they tend to hate Bro Step. All the noob Bro Steppers hear some DnB and say "WOW, fast dub step! Lets call it quick step, drum dub or double time dub step!"
Well, on the Dogs On Acid forum they tend to hate Bro Step. All the noob Bro Steppers hear some DnB and say "WOW, fast dub step! Lets call it quick step or double time dub step!"
Please please tell me thats a joke, no one could be that stupid could they?
Well, on the Dogs On Acid forum they tend to hate Bro Step. All the noob Bro Steppers hear some DnB and say "WOW, fast dub step! Lets call it quick step, drum dub or double time dub step!"
I used to love BT. I never heard of Brostep until this thread. Gonna look it up now. I imagine it to be the chart stuff rather than the zombified sweaty underground club stuff which i know to be dubstep.
Yes, yes it is. But read my response to the guy I quoted saying speed garage --> dubstep. Dubstep can be traced more to 2 step garage, as dubstep didn't even start with 4 on the floor kicks...
Semantic, yes, but this thread contains some blatant misinformation.
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