And you will find the exact story for a large persentage of 'classic' Roland pieces.
It's also funny how the MS-20's filter has managed to stand the test of time. Speaks volumes for once being considered a poor man's 2600 or "not as good" as the Minimoog.
It's also funny how the MS-20's filter has managed to stand the test of time. Speaks volumes for once being considered a poor man's 2600 or "not as good" as the Minimoog.
come on... It was a WAY lesser synth, compared to a minimoog or an ARP 2600. And it still is
Its filter has "managed to stand the test of time"... how? By surviving in the Monotron?!? By having its name quoted in a Korg workstation?
The world and his dog has used the moog ladder filter as a model in every single VA and VST for 40 years now.
In the contrary the ms20 has had a very specific legacy, in a specific musical niche, where it entered thanks to original budget constraints.
This is not a FLAW! Thank God for good, cheap instruments!!! Thank God for musicians who used cheap instruments and made good music out of them! Not everybody could have used a Moog 55, OR there would have been just 3 or 4 synth-based records.
But if you have to redesign a analogue synthesizer today from scratch, will you try to emulate the best, or the second best? The third?
I'd like to have a workstation which included prophet and obie horns, moog and harp leads, prophet sincs...
... not OSCar leads or Farfisa strings.
Welcome to a multi-filter synth with ms-20 emulation among others,
but... a 8 voice polyphonic ms20 lookalike? In 2012? No, thanks
I wish a modernized and portable DSS-1 with USB and sym. outs, but with the original filters and circuits. (Rem: It should be allowed to dream).
I would be happy if the developers offers us more kind of synths that convince us with their sonic quality - means they should care more for the sound and less how many features they will have - because features we have enough in our DAWs and we need more good sounding synth sources for the future, because the old originals became more and more difficult to service.
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i agree, not just usb, but CF SLOT would be very useful
8-16megs of ram should be enough
additional filter
very good midi implementation, many modulations, lfos etc etc
some features from wavestation, like morphing one wave to another
importing original patches
come on... It was a WAY lesser synth, compared to a minimoog or an ARP 2600. And it still is
Its filter has "managed to stand the test of time"... how? By surviving in the Monotron?!? By having its name quoted in a Korg workstation?
The world and his dog has used the moog ladder filter as a model in every single VA and VST for 40 years now.
In the contrary the ms20 has had a very specific legacy, in a specific musical niche, where it entered thanks to original budget constraints.
This is not a FLAW! Thank God for good, cheap instruments!!! Thank God for musicians who used cheap instruments and made good music out of them! Not everybody could have used a Moog 55, OR there would have been just 3 or 4 synth-based records.
But if you have to redesign a analogue synthesizer today from scratch, will you try to emulate the best, or the second best? The third?
I'd like to have a workstation which included prophet and obie horns, moog and harp leads, prophet sincs...
... not OSCar leads or Farfisa strings.
Welcome to a multi-filter synth with ms-20 emulation among others,
but... a 8 voice polyphonic ms20 lookalike? In 2012? No, thanks
1) It may not be better than those synths to YOU, but I would rather have a 2600 or MS-20 over the Minimoog for two reasons a) I don't like how the Mini does monophonics and b) because it isn't a semi. Also true that I would rather have a 2600 based solely on how it has more per function than a MS-20.
2) Not only has it survived through the Monotron, but through the modular world as well. Right, everyone has recreated, cloned and otherwise kept that classic Moog filter in and around synthesis, but why do we need more of the SAME? Not everyone likes that filter, y'know?
3) Specific legacy? Musical niche? Now you're just far reaching, dude. That's like saying a stand up bass is only good for lounge music (it's not).
If I had to design a synth from the ground up, I would design it how I wanted to. And what my best is isn't everyone else's best. So you want a workstation loaded to the gills with analogue samples (why?) instead of another straight up synth? To each their own I guess, but I certainly do not want a Korg that sounds like a Moog.
I'd actually welcome an 8-voice semi modular that resembles the MS-20. Though, should such a thing exist, it'd be waaaayyy out of my price range.
Nice analogue synth aside, I'd like them to remake the Radias.
Though that said- when I do have the disposable for it, I'm sure I could pick up a great condition second hand Radius for much less than it'd cost new.
End of the day, huge epic workstations for the super rich and sponsorships aside, they do seem to be doing rather well from their mikro's and 'tribes and I think this is most likely the area of business they'd rather aim for- cheap products that'll sell loads.
my vote has always been and will be a 16 channel electribe that's based on one of their rompler engines.
Korg has never had a full groove box ever. it's about time.
The DDD-1 had short burst sampling and some individual outs. Also has stored sounds, of course. Though, that may be the closest they've come. Unless the DDD-5 improved on this, dunno, too lazy to google.
So you want a workstation loaded to the gills with analogue samples (why?) instead of another straight up synth?
Note that ozy did NOT imply the usage of samples anywhere in the sentence where he mentioned "prophet and obie horns, moog and arp leads, prophet syncs", so I don't know how you reached that conclusion. I very much read that sentence as modeling those sounds with a purpose-built VA engine.
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Note that ozy did NOT imply the usage of samples anywhere in the sentence where he mentioned "prophet and obie horns, moog and arp leads, prophet syncs", so I don't know how you reached that conclusion. I very much read that sentence as modeling those sounds with a purpose-built VA engine.
Modeling already exists in the Solaris. Except that it isn't a workstation.
The analog plot is just starting to thicken -- I would hate to see them lose it now.
I'd love to see a Monotribe XL with all of the obvious enhancements (i think that's imminent anyway)
Also, a multiple MS20 filter Kaoss pad where you can morph between discrete filters depending on x-y position, add more resonance with pressure, scale cutoff and resonance via MIDI, etc
An FM synth with a fully tricked out tactile interface would be exciting and would likely sell, too
Nobody says you have to participate; put in a very limited profile with minimal and slightly/subtly wrong data.
In the US there is some precedent for that to be considered 'hacking' and a felony. Makes no sense, but don't do it if you are likely to get in trouble for something else as law enforcement will use that if they can't find anything else that will stick
I don't really see much point in them re-introducing those 2 synths, unless they are some progression like MS-30 and Trident MK3 and are seriousley good.
As I have said before, it would make more sense to release an analogue synth not based on anything they had done in the past. This gives no fuel to the previous valid point raised by Yoozer that synth purists will always look down on anything new, claiming to sound like the original.
The Minibrute is a good example. It isn't based an anything, so no-one can whine. People even tried to attach it to the SH-101 which didn't really make any headway.
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I would love to see a 4 voices analog synth from Korg... No need for 8, it would make it too expensive, 4 voiceis are enough for all chords you would want.
To be accurate, the Facebook page said they wanted you to suggest ONE feature on an EXISTING Korg product that you would add. They don't really seem to be soliciting any real active development of something jaw dropping. It seems unlikely they are going to be coming out with any products that are going to wow anyone in the near term.
I'd like a beefed up monotron with a more complex synth engine, and a step sequencer with skip, portamento and accent per step.
I really like the toy aspect of the new Korg analog stuff. I don't want a $2000 monosynth from them, I want Korg to make cheap toy versions of the classic Roland xox stuff. I don't want it to sound the same or look the same, but I would really like to have analogue boxes with internal sequencers that you can step with trig from a drum machine.
I think a poly synth from Korg would be great . As someone else said , there is a ton of mono synths out there . Also making something unique instead of a rehash of the old would be good .That would also null out the comparisons .
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Polysix/Juno territory, now there's still room - but you'd need to be quite a bit cheaper than a Prophet '08.
... and the new version should be ridiculously cheap, and there are always features missing.
This is the thing right here - cost efficiency. I just don't believe they're willing to invest in producing a fully analog polyphonic "beast", to an already niche market. It would be too much of an investment to produce - and sales predictions would be minimal at best. And like you said, most "new" analog gear costs quite a lot.
And another monophonic synth would be pointless, in my opinion. I'm a pianist/keyboardist, but not a synth nerd - the MiniBrute didn't really turn me on at all, felt indifferent, really.
And the fact is that the keyboards that sell today, are the so-called top-of-the-line "workstations" which are mostly utilized by bands from hobbyist to Billboard-topping stuff, as generic all-around "work horses".
By the way, there ARE a ton of musicians and people interested in this sort of stuff on Facebook as well (I personally left a couple of years ago - got fed up with the privacy hassle), so it's not as gloomy as you think.
Nobody says you have to participate; put in a very limited profile with minimal and slightly/subtly wrong data. Don't post pictures, don't share preferences, and you get to join in on the fun.
What other method do you suggest? Have people write e-mails so nobody can see anyone else's suggestions? Or write/type letters and send them to Japan?
Here's why FB is more useful:
- marketing
- You can immediately see exactly how many people viewed, responded and liked. A forum where a thread gets like 20 replies - that's dead.
- It's a lot harder to spam/troll/derail on FB because they have active moderation on discussion threads on FB. Try making a Korg rep temporary admin on a forum, that's just asking for trouble.
- marketing.
- Polls are incredibly one-dimensional. They leave no room for good ideas; if someone makes a reply that contains a really great concept, then a whole slew of likes makes it stand out far more than a "choice B was clicked the most (but only because it was the least bad)".
- There are far more people on FB than there will ever be on forums.
- did I mention marketing? It's really cheap to run an ad for all 20-somethings who like Skrillex and promote a specific proof-of-concept wobble synthesizer, to be released in fall 2012. Start a thread about this in GS and see it moved within 10 seconds to the New Product Alert bin nobody cares about/everyone misses. Over 1000 clicks on the ad in a month? Start building the damn thing!
It's so simple and obvious. Pick the biggest platform that gives you the most control. HC is drying up, VSE is petrified, GS has enough traffic but by far not enough targeting/control. FB has more range and a far lower treshold, because you're already signed up anyway so your aunt can send you funny cat pictures without clogging up your e-mail inbox.
Korg is not there to satisfy vintage lusts. They're not there to reminisce about the good old times. They have to make money, because that's what their shareholders want them to do. Understand it on the basis of that, and save yourself a good deal of pain/broken dreams.
meh... Facebook is a DIRECTED, externally controlled and monitored social media platform. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18033259
a forum is a bunch of ppl. talking to each other in public. without much regulation but with a tighter focus on the subject matter (audio production). If Korg is catering to the hobbyist market, good for them, but they'll be making toys, not instruments for professionals.
I know why I left Facebook. I did keep my account open for the usual announcements of birthdays, parties and the like. But I stopped reading the stream of non-information.
I use a Wavedrum, ES-1 phrase sampler, digital legacy plugins and an MR-1000 recorder, IMO they at Korg are good at taking an older concept and putting it in a new coat with new added functionality.
KORG... if you're reading this:
The future is small but capable synths/samplers with a defined character. I don't care if it's digital or analogue, as long as it's DIFFERENT and MUSICALLY relevant. Also CV-Gate and MIDI please!??
Just USB is soooo 2005 and a modular approach to gear (instead of an all in one huge workstation) means more capable interfaces. lol
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