DSI VST controllers from Soundtower coming! (plus Voyager)

[Kopiller]

Originally Posted by Ausgeno

Ableton users beware! I just registered the full version and it only work with the VST window open! The moment I close it the Tetra stops receiving MIDI. This is a massive game-breaker for me as I need to be able to make changes on the Tetra channel without having the VST in the way.

Same in Cubase

[Ausgeno]

Originally Posted by MrWiggly

362,880 </pedantic>

Oh yeah, I was doing each option as 9 possibilities instead of 2. Thanks!

Originally Posted by Kopiller

Same in Cubase

No way! They replied to my email about this:

If your Live closes the plug (it should be able to just hide it) then you can just make the window smaller or move it away.
We will to contact Ableton guys to check why.

They haven't acknowledged my sync issue yet though. Sequences don't start and the LFO sync button does nothing and the wave reset buttons only seem to be for show at this stage, they don't turn on.

[msl]

So the basic gist is its buggy as hell, and basically your all the beta testers.

Thanks guys, I'll wait.

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[cuckoo.old]

Wasn't there another company - not sure if they are called Vyzor or their product was named that? They produced a DSI Evolver Editor, particularly good for Evo desktop users and then withdrew it from sale, talking up how much better version 2 would be.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from memory version 2 still hasn't been released. On their forums there seems to be a few posts from the developer with the last one being April 2011.

Does anyone remember this? I've never dealt with Soundtower, but they're not the only company making DSI editors people are having troubles with.

When I got my Evolver Desktop I briefly contemplated getting an editor, but then I got Midi Touch for the iPad, and control the DSI wirelessly. Personally I find it more appealing than the mouse, and even though it's not a real knobs and sliders affair, it's a pretty good compromise.

[G-d-S]

It doesn't even work with my Motu Express 128. (I couldn't set the midi port)
I tried it with the midi of my RME soundcard (I could set the port on this one) and I couldn't even control a single parameter...
This thing is not working at all for me.

[masaski]

Originally Posted by msl

So the basic gist is its buggy as hell, and basically your all the beta testers.

Thanks guys, I'll wait.

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Yeah life's way too short...

[GeorgeHayduke]

There's a package deal on the P8, where you get both the Pro editor and the new VST for a discount.

Anyone knows if they honor a previous purchase of the Pro-editor?

[remote337]

Just paid for the Mopho editor and the PC link is down!??

Unbelievable

Anyone have a copy of the PC demo they can email me??

[rudigus]

"...A great deal of attention is paid to every minute detail and our software is vigorously tested before being released. All the employees at SoundTower are accomplished musicians and music is our passion. ..." - About Us

[remote337]

I have the auth code now and a link to the full version so no worries on the demo.

I'll test it tomorrow and post back how it works (or not).

[ibiking]

Wtf, why would anyone want an editor for synths like prophet 08 or Voyager?! I don't get it, can someone please explain

[San01]

Originally Posted by ibiking

Wtf, why would anyone want an editor for synths like prophet 08 or Voyager?! I don't get it, can someone please explain

Patch storing, librarian, sequence editing, genetics, save and recall from your daw session

[Ausgeno]

Originally Posted by remote337

I have the auth code now and a link to the full version so no worries on the demo.

I'll test it tomorrow and post back how it works (or not).

Please test these things:

Does your Mopho still receive MIDI if the VST window is closed

Do sequences start

Can you sync your LFOs to the DAW

Cheers.

[Night_Suit]

No major discredit to Moog, or Rekon Audio, but my friend has a Moog LP (after all, beautiful instrument) and was offered the update to his older Phatty editor for free. When he asked if he could get it as Mac VST or AU since switching platforms, they simply said no. So odd and inconvenient!

[Simonator]

I just got an email from Soundtower-

Apparently, they are considering collecting all the money they get from this paid-beta-testing project, and using it to hire an actual software programmer to assist their manatees.

Final v1.0 release of the Tetra Plug-in now scheduled for April 2018, give or take a few years.

They also said they are not really bothered about the fact it does not currently work in Ableton- because it's such an extremely rare DAW.
It's apparently now almost stable in Macromedia SoundEdit under Mac OS system 4.

[Ausgeno]

Lol, paid beta testing! So true. 5 minutes of beta testing with Ableton would have found the issues I'm facing, this isn't some obscure "setting step 7 on the sequencer to LFO3 with an envelope setting of 63 causes a glitch" issue, this is basic fundamental "turn it on and use it" shit.

[Ausgeno]

Just saw this post on the Ableton forum from a Mopho user:

"LFO sync doesn't work, the sequencer doesn't work so y can't play sequenced patches. It also stops working if you close the window. It is thus far terrible and really doesn't seemt o like ableton, I've heard equally bad news for cubase users too."

Sounds like it's not just me. Basic ****ing functionality.

[masaski]

I guess companies just can't afford testers and QC any more.

I'd be very dubious in buying ANY product that's just been released because it's just an exercise in futility.

Companies are just getting lazy and releasing product with the reliance on their customers to find the bugs for them...like they've got nothing better to do like...

[Spectral Climax]

Originally Posted by Simonator

They also said they are not really bothered about the fact it does not currently work in Ableton- because it's such an extremely rare DAW.

!!! I believe that they are extremely uninformed or arrogants.

[Simonator]

Originally Posted by masaski

I guess companies just can't afford testers and QC any more.

I'd be very dubious in buying ANY product that's just been released because it's just an exercise in futility.

Companies are just getting lazy and releasing product with the reliance on their customers to find the bugs for them...like they've got nothing better to do like...

Well, the beta testers normally work for free.
Given the damage that a buggy product does for reputation- can any company afford not to beta test!
Clearly though, Soundtower are maverick fly-by-the-seat-of-their-pants cool dudes who have decided to rip up the rule book on marketing & PR.

They had a whole bunch of people from the Prophet5 forum start beta testing a different (not working either) version of the plug-in last summer.
Then, Soundtower simply stopped communicating with those guys in the very early stages.
Since then, as far as anyone can tell, there has been f***-all beta testing done to create this latest version.... Ergo, current customers = the beta test.

[DonPuzo]

Sorry guys, but my question is, they had this reputation long time before of this new VST, and has been told thousands of times in Gearslutz... Why do you buy things from this company anymore? And why DSI collaborates still with them?

[Barilla]

I won't be 'upgrading' anytime soon. Or rather, never.

I already felt like I'd wasted my money with the standalone editor. It has put me off buying DSI Instruments in the future. They really could do with collaborating with a good software developer instead of these clowns.

[GeorgeHayduke]

I bought the Pro editor, and have been longing for a VST for the Mopho and the P8, but the thought of putting even more money in these guys' pockets is agonizing. Argghh.

I'm quite shocked to hear they didn't test it in Ableton. I'm using FL Studio, and I'm worried that the VSTs won't work in FL if they won't work in Ableton. The demos are so crippled it doesn't seem to be enough for a proper test. I won't buy till I hear confirmation of proper functionality in FL.

Fwiw, they are not 'partners' with DSI, I think they just offered their 'services' to DSI early on, leading DSI to sorta advertize their existence. So, these problems are not directly DSIs.

Otoh, if DSI had been a tad more savvy, they'd have made arrangements with a reliable small software company. They should know that people would want a VST for at least their modules, and DSI signalled that initially. That made the purchase of eg. the Mopho module a much easier decision. So, in some ways it does fall on DSI. I bet they are as sick of Soundtower as the rest of us though, or perhaps even more..

[OttoPilot]

Originally Posted by DonPuzo

Sorry guys, but my question is, they had this reputation long time before of this new VST, and has been told thousands of times in Gearslutz... Why do you buy things from this company anymore? And why DSI collaborates still with them?

No surprise with DSI, they continue to release new products while their old ones are still buggy as hell.

[remote337]

Originally Posted by Ausgeno

Please test these things:

Does your Mopho still receive MIDI if the VST window is closed

Do sequences start

Can you sync your LFOs to the DAW

Cheers.

Tested it now and the same as you. Midi clock is not available to select (Cubase 6 - PC) if the midi port is used on the plug. Therefore no midi sync of LFO's etc and the sequencer doesn't work at all. I suppose I could set the Mopho to internal clock which may be a partial work around if using static BPM's although I haven't tried that yet.

If I close the window it stops responding but if I minimize it out of view it's fine.

All other controls seem to work and automation is fine too. Only spent half hour with it so once I have more time I'll see if something else is not working.

[greggybud]

Originally Posted by GeorgeHayduke

Fwiw, they are not 'partners' with DSI, I think they just offered their 'services' to DSI early on, leading DSI to sorta advertize their existence. So, these problems are not directly DSIs.

Otoh, if DSI had been a tad more savvy, they'd have made arrangements with a reliable small software company. They should know that people would want a VST for at least their modules, and DSI signalled that initially. That made the purchase of eg. the Mopho module a much easier decision. So, in some ways it does fall on DSI. I bet they are as sick of Soundtower as the rest of us though, or perhaps even more..

Wouldn't they remove their web links to Soundtower if they were that sick of them?

Maybe PYM would like to chime in here as to their continued relationship?

I went through DSI to get to Soundtower, but it was never resolved. I'm still waiting for the PolyEvolver editor to simply start/stop my PolyEvolver sequencer. Soundtower last told me "in a few weeks" and that was at least a year ago.

[verve92]

Interesting stuff.
I just got a MEK. I plan on getting the editor at some point, but with a panel full o' knobs I may not need it. I assume it works on the MEK as it was likely designed for the desktop version. Depends on the sequencer, which is one of the only things it can do better than the front panel. A lot less time consuming with the editor.
Anyone have any issues with the Evolver software in either application?

[Caveman672]

I will try to make a Poly Evolver Rack editor with Logic's environment. The Soundtower editor is crap and I'll be much relieved when I no longer need it. I already have a BCR2000 mapped out to all of the Poly Evolver's parameters so I don't think it'll be too hard to map that out in Logic. I never used the librarian features anyway cause I had no confidence in the application.

[zerocrossing]

Originally Posted by verve92

Interesting stuff.
I just got a MEK. I plan on getting the editor at some point, but with a panel full o' knobs I may not need it. I assume it works on the MEK as it was likely designed for the desktop version. Depends on the sequencer, which is one of the only things it can do better than the front panel. A lot less time consuming with the editor.
Anyone have any issues with the Evolver software in either application?

I used the soundtower editor with my med to the point where I never touched its knobs with no problems.

[Ausgeno]

Good news, they've identified the cause of the issue behind the no sync start/stop for sequences and should have the updated editor out next week.