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I'm calling it vaporware until we see something tangible. I mean, really, they can't even take a freaking "picture"? A single real life picture? C'mon man!
I understand your point. Is the Boomstar being made with the same parts as their other products? Sometimes companies change up parts in order to ramp up production or meet technical specifications.
Who can know at this point? I don't have any more information that what's been already kicked about. Frankly, I'd love it if it was a big departure from the ATCs. I'd replace my Slim Phatty if it were different enough.
thus my inclusion of the words "apparently" and "ostensibly"
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Are you serious? "This dude" - velvetacidchrist, aka "hexfix93", or better known in this forum as "disease factory"? Reliable?!
I mean, come on. He says he got the chance to hear a boomstar in person. Do you actually buy that?
I think you misunderstood this dude. He wrote:
1. "I have heard the boomstar, it was called the ATC 1x, that is what it sounds like, with analog envelopes instead of hardware. So i know what it is going to sound like."
2. "I have talked to the people making it. I know what is being used, i know how they are doing it. I trust them...
I do have faith the boomstar will sound amazing, because the ATC sounds amazing."
This is what you call a "source of information"?
I have no idea if the boomstar will or won't be based on the ATC or SE-1X or whatever (and it makes a difference since the atc and se-1x sound different when you compare the "moogish" 24db filter).
What i am sure of is that the boomstar has some new tricks up its sleeves the former synths doesn't have - and vice versa. he boomstar doesn't have ringmod. On the other hand - it does have loopable envelopes. On the whole it has less envelopes and lfo's than the ATC and SE-1X.
And the sound? I'm sure it'll be great - but nither i nor anyone else have actually heard this synth.
they first said May, and if it came out then or even June/July i had cash ready.. alas they didn't and i run into a beautiful Source instead. not exactly small, or the same type product, but hey ..
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Who can know at this point? I don't have any more information that what's been already kicked about. Frankly, I'd love it if it was a big departure from the ATCs. I'd replace my Slim Phatty if it were different enough.
I've been tempted in the past to get an SE1x because it has a nice sound. Is the ATC pretty much the same as the SE1x? If they can pack that into a cheaper solution, it would definitely sell like hotcakes, and I guess that is what this thread is mostly about. I didn't know about the Boomstar until recently.
ATC can sum waveforms
The "moog amp" option of the atc is the original amp of the se1x
I liked the atc more too : more modulations options.
My problem with SE synths is their modulations in general : not enough range both for speed and for amount : lfo/envelopes not fast, not slow, not enough crossmod, too few routing etc...
Imo nice sound but poor conception.
Really hope they change that for theirs news synths...
These jokers need to have a look at Ken Macbeth. How 1 single person has almost the entire synth loving world drooling.
Why? Because he actually talks to us and shows us stuff to get excited about. Thus generating sales for a very expensive product.
Youtube and Facebook cost him nothing other than time. He is actively on here talking to us. The man is a legend. I truly wish him success.
SE needs to wake up.
posts like this really blow my mind. SE existed long before the internet was the main way of promoting yourself and has done very well building a reputation by sticking to its guns and concentrating on making quality products that are ready when they're ready, rather than trying to appease the rabid mobs that make forums like this hard to stomach 75% of the time. why must everything be NOW? and why must they do it like ken macbeth?
so they don't play the modern internet-based promotion game as well as other "superior" companies? ... good, for the most part i find the P.R. saturation level to be pretty crazy nowadays. not aiming that at macbeth or anyone in particular there, he's doing his thing and that's cool. good on him. but that's his way. horses for courses.
anyone who's played an SE synth knows that this is 99% certain to be another great modern analog. possibly one of the best for it's price range and certainly one of the most characterful. SE doesn't know how to make bad synths!
people need to calm down and develop a little patience.
people need to calm down and develop a little patience.
That pretty much sums it up.
Now personally, if I were a manufacturer I'd do my best to keep everyone informed about how the development process was coming along, much like what MacBeth has been doing on Facebook. And if I ever had to estimate a release date, I'd pad it with way more time than I thought I'd need, just because of threads like these - people are impatient.
But Studio Electronics is a stand-up company with a great reputation of delivering products, so they don't deserve any trash talk or hints of mistrust.
Not trashing the company or their excellent products at all...just pointing out a rather obvious deficiency.
Plus if this thing is real can we not have at least a real picture or a demo of some kind???
I hate the internet sometimes too, but it is a very valuable tool for communication.
As a small business owner myself I do not understand their mindset in this day and age...
ok, but personally i don't see this whole 'one way' of doing things mentality as healthy, and like the fact that there are still a few people out there who give more of a sh*t about making good synths than self promotion. in the end the work will speak for itself. do fans get pissed off at their favourite band taking longer than planned on the new album? probably. but are they happy when it comes out in the end anyway? well, as long as it's good!
in a way i feel like the medium is the message here. their synths are funky and so is their internet presence. it might not make sense to everyone but i'm sure they're content with it
If SE employees left a burning bag of dog sh¡t on my front porch, I would still probably buy their synths. If you're feeling butthurt that they haven't kept you abreast of the progress of the Boomstar, then go buy that other modern analog monosynth and make some rad music with it.
It seems like SE jumped the gun and rode the wave of NAMM 2012 analog craze before they had worked out all the kinks in their designs... or maybe they had a manufacturing setback- who knows... and that's kind of the point of the critique- we don't know, and it's practically October, which is two months after the advertised release date. I'm sure the final products will be awesome, but they could have taken a few notes from folks like Macbeth. At the very least, they could have released a minute or two sound clip, riiiiight? In 2012, if companies are going to use the web to advertise future products waaaay in advance, they better have a web-based PR plan that compliments their premature announcements.
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SE has nothing to prove... man.. you have to be accepted and put on a waiting list for a hang drum
Really.. get over yourselves
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SE has nothing to prove... man.. you have to be accepted and put on a waiting list for a hang drum
Really.. get over yourselves
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Man wake up to reality...who on earth will pre order without hearing the synth? I mean you buy it because of the sound right? Not because on paper or in the picture it looks pretty.....
SE has a lot to prove just like any other manufacturer as you are only as good as your last product, just like any artist, producer, record label etc.
Man wake up to reality...who on earth will pre order without hearing the synth? I mean you buy it because of the sound right? Not because on paper or in the picture it looks pretty.....
SE has a lot to prove just like any other manufacturer as you are only as good as your last product, just like any artist, producer, record label etc.
Lot's of people pre-order things before they are seen or heard, especially boutique synthesizers. Look at the modular community, you can't even get the coolest stuff because it's all spoken for before it comes out.
Not to mention there is nothing to lose anyway. It's very unlikely that we won't hear it before we receive it in the mail, and even if we did, it's under warranty if it doesn't work, you can return it to the shop if you don't like it, or you can sell it. I don't see the big deal.
I will say however that SE clearly doesn't give a crap about creating a huge hype about the Boomstar, but who are we as free will consumers to question that?
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The first demo is posted on the Studio Electronics Facebook site.
Says this demo used a "cheap audio interface that happened to be around. More filter type demos, live footage and markedly superior D/A Converters to follow." Maybe they saw us bitching about it on here, lol.
What a mess. He's got the distortion knob constantly up, so it's very difficult to get the impression whay this synth sounds like "underneath", the raw oscilators and filter.
Studio Electronics says this demo used a "cheap audio interface that happened to be around.
well, they DEFINITELY have a problem with professional attitudes, ...
"cheap audio interfaces" in a boutique synth company?
Do they have monitors? an oscilloscope? How do they know that their instruments sound good? Do they just look at the cardboard prototype and say: "uhm, the circuit is definitely beautiful"?
This has always been happening though: somehow, nerds and geeks think that nerdy/geeky clumsiness is sexy.
[That's good, though. No problem. That's how us jocks get to mate with first-class female specimens of the species. Nerds become immortal through their fine products, we survive through our genes, the Human species gets its equilibrium].
SE makes good instruemnts , which I own and love, but there is no doubt that they are a bit on the autistic side of the human character spectrum.
well, they DEFINITELY have a problem with professional attitudes, ...
"cheap audio interfaces" in a boutique synth company?
Do they have monitors? an oscilloscope? How do they know that their instruments sound good? Do they just look at the cardboard prototype and say: "uhm, the circuit is definitely beautiful"?
This has always been happening though: somehow, nerds and geeks think that nerdy/geeky clumsiness is sexy.
[That's good, though. No problem. That's how us jocks get to mate with first-class female specimens of the species. Nerds become immortal through their fine products, we survive through our genes, the Human species gets its equilibrium].
SE makes good instruemnts , which I own and love, but there is no doubt that they are a bit on the autistic side of the human character spectrum.
If you're gonna take the time to make a demo why half ass it with poor equipment, and then mislabel the demo? Must be some good cheeba making it's rounds near the office.
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... good, for the most part i find the P.R. saturation level to be pretty crazy nowadays. not aiming that at macbeth or anyone in particular there, he's doing his thing and that's cool. good on him. but that's his way. horses for courses.
, which I own and love, but there is no doubt that they are a bit on the autistic side 
of the human character spectrum.
