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Roland Jupiter 50 and Jupiter 80 Vers2

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Idiots, they really don't intend to make a 61-key version, nor a weighted keybed version...
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There doesn't seem to be any mention of the filters or relation to the V2 in the video or description. Surely they would make a point of that if it was.
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Just watched 'Keyboard' demo of JP-50.

Oh dear oh dear oh dear....

why do they even bother using the word 'synthesizer' these days?
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is it not a cheaper version of the 80? same engine etc?
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oh great. another 50 page Roland bitchfest.
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You also can bitch about the new Juno Di which is even worse to the average synth snob.

Then again there isn't too much to bitch about because not really new things have come to light (yet).
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Well there's a missed opportunity - if they're going to call the 50 a synthesiser then maybe they could have stripped back on the SuperNatural (ooh spooky) stuff and put some knobs and sliders on it and made it its own distinctive instrument. And five octaves.

Oh well, shouldn't be surprised by now I suppose.
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New Roland is terrible. Before I got into vintage synths, and was doing hip-hop I always hated Roland. That was before I got into analog and obviously am now fond of their 80s stuff. But besides that I can't stand Roland. All their new stuff is just low end crap and is always super ugly.
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New Roland is terrible. Before I got into vintage synths, and was doing hip-hop I always hated Roland. That was before I got into analog and obviously am now fond of their 80s stuff. But besides that I can't stand Roland. All their new stuff is just low end crap and is always super ugly.
oh shut up. you are talking nothing but crap, you troll
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well, after watching that JU-50 video, I couldl literally facepalm at every second.

worst of all, the sounds he was using and the way he played them, when he went to do the pitch bend, it was like I watching a 1992 roland video again. and later on when he did that predictable arpegiator on a detuned saw, and played the chords he did I wonder why I would want to buy anything that makes the sound of top40 chart wank
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"Roland has Betrayed us booo hooo" all over again
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Yes I'm really scratching my head with the top line Roland offerings nowadays (or for a long time). Basically you have two groups of keyboard players, those who prefer natural sounding keyboard sounds (piano, el-piano, organ et rest) and those who like analog virtual or analog tweaking.) Roland then goes ahead and thinks keyboard players want to sound like guitar players, wacko arpeggiator/filter use via controls and so on and end up in the same expensive domain as Korg Karma which has been unsuccessfully been in since inception.

They should just do two things:

a) A wild two oscillator 61/49 key synth similar to Korg R3.
b) A good keyboard system similar to the Nord Elektro ones.

Compete with those concerning price and they should have a good market. And yes, I don't count Junos to section b due to their keyboards. And yes make the editing a snap by putting real controllers back on the front.

Anyway, just my opinion and I missed my Jupiter-6 until I got U-he's Diva plug-in.
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After watching the Keyboardmag video for the JP50 I quickly realised that I will not be buying a JP50.

It reminded me of watching Inception.

A layer in a layer in a layer in a layer, even the guys demoing it hard a hard time remembering which layer they were editing.

"It's very simple to change this parameter, "just" hold shift and push the second butting from the left and then you push the fourth button, then you release the shift button, move the cursor with the arrow buttons to what you want to edit and then you use the scroll wheel to change the parameter...."


repeat ad neuseum....


Intuitive and quick it's not.

Where's the Yoda smiley?
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These are the bits that changed on the spec sheet... Although they have added dedicated cut off and resonance which is real nice:

JUPITER-50

No channel aftertouch

3 parts (Upper, Solo, Percussion/Lower) 80 has 4 parts (Upper, Lower, Solo, Percussion)

128 voices 80 has twice that

128 Registrations 80 has twice that

No Solo part/Percussion part MFX !

No Master Effects ! 80 has a 4-Band Equalizer: 1 unit here

Arpeggiator only 16 User styles 80 has User: 128 styles

Display mono 240 x 64 dots graphic LCD (with backlit) 80 has Graphic Color LCD 800 x 480 dots (touch screen)

No MAIN OUT jacks (L, R) (XLR type)

No DIGITAL AUDIO OUT jack (COAXIAL)

No MIDI Connector (THRU)

Power Supply via AC Adaptor however power drain approx 7.2 Watts 80 has onboard power but at 25 Watts

24 lbs. 5 oz. 80 is a hefty 39 lbs. 1 oz.

It's longer than the 80 @ 1268 mm 80 1,231 mm

Only 361 mm deep 80 439 mm

Only 117 mm high 80 140 mm




Please note it has got midi and outputs etc, this list is only to assist showing the main changes compared to the J80.

I like this one more than the J80... UK Price 1699 Pounds

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After watching the Keyboardmag video for the JP50 I quickly realised that I will not be buying a JP50.

It reminded me of watching Inception.

A layer in a layer in a layer in a layer, even the guys demoing it hard a hard time remembering which layer they were editing.

"It's very simple to change this parameter, "just" hold shift and push the second butting from the left and then you push the fourth button, then you release the shift button, move the cursor with the arrow buttons to what you want to edit and then you use the scroll wheel to change the parameter...."


repeat ad neuseum....


Intuitive and quick it's not.

Where's the Yoda smiley?
looks like they have an iPAD editor, watch the vid I posted...
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No channel aftertouch
Damn it, Roland, kick out the beancounters just this one time.

Aftertouch should not cost a fortune to add.
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Aside from the name used for these keyboards, the numbers run true to past families.

JP-80 - XP-80

JP-50 - JV-50 & XP-50

So maybe a 61 key JP-30 may be the next incarnation? - JV-30 & XP-30
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Thank Zeus they kept the D-Beam.

Thank you, Zeus.

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But my XP30 has aftertouch - if the JP50 doesn't even have that...
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Although the specs currently do not say it, it sounds like the JP50 has got the Version 2 stuff that the JP80 just got, so extra filters (moog etc) and the ability to chain MFX's. MFX's are multiple effects chains already but you can just make even longer effects chains or get the combination of sub effects that are not available in one MFX...
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OK, we all know the negatives already, now how about some positives; I'm sure this thing has some interesting features to offer.
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Did I read this right and Roland is releasing a two thousand dollar board without aftertouch and with an external power supply?
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No Channel Aftertouch ? Oh, well.......
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To the people complaining about the people complaining...

Why NOT complain? This "Jupiter" is anything but (and let's not trot out that tired, "In the 'spirit' of the original... we ALL know what a Jupiter means in this day and age).

Simply put, Roland is NOT listening to their consumers... so why NOT bitch?
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Just watched 'Keyboard' demo of JP-50.

Oh dear oh dear oh dear....

why do they even bother using the word 'synthesizer' these days?
There is a difference between 'synthesizer' and 'programmable synthesizer'
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Doesn't look or sound so bad to me. I just wonder why I'd buy a board like that when I could get a lot more with a DAW. I guess it's all about workflow. I'll bet that for the cost of those things I could make the dollars go a lot farther buying vintage stuff though.
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