i for one will not be thanking the french for "electro" house as it is pure shit of the highest order and bastardizes the electro moniker. now i have to listen to trendy club hoppers talk about how much they "love" electro (i guess they drop the house part when trying to sound cool to all their friends in fancy t-shirts and skinny jeans) when they have no idea what electro is.
btw i know this totally sounds like a jaded old man rant but ffs can you come up with a different name for this wank that doesn't annoy me? like "shit house" or "club crap" or "trend of the effin week" or something.
electro house and electro rock have absolutely NOTHING to do with actual electro music and if i hear one more person talk about their favorite electro artist being that skrillex twat i'm gonna puke.
i for one will not be thanking the french for "electro" house as it is pure shit of the highest order and bastardizes the electro moniker. now i have to listen to trendy club hoppers talk about how much they "love" electro (i guess they drop the house part when trying to sound cool to all their friends in fancy t-shirts and skinny jeans) when they have no idea what electro is.
btw i know this totally sounds like a jaded old man rant but ffs can you come up with a different name for this wank that doesn't annoy me? like "shit house" or "club crap" or "trend of the effin week" or something.
electro house and electro rock have absolutely NOTHING to do with actual electro music and if i hear one more person talk about their favorite electro artist being that skrillex twat i'm gonna puke.
What are you talking about, Skrillex totally IS my favorite Electro artist!
What are you talking about, Skrillex totally IS my favorite Electro artist!
totally bro!!!1111 just put on your $500 trucker hat, white belt, skinny jeans, and t-shirt with an ironic statement on it and electro the night away!!!!
man, i just LOVE electro!!!!!! it's so hip and edgy, especially when the bass drops over some sick vocals about finding a higher love.
totally bro!!!1111 just put on your $500 trucker hat, white belt, skinny jeans, and t-shirt with an ironic statement on it and electro the night away!!!!
man, i just LOVE electro!!!!!! it's so hip and edgy, especially when the bass drops over some sick vocals about finding a higher love.
Exactly bro. Totally gonna get me more of them Trucker hats when I go to the Elctric Daisy Crnival in Vegas and just raaaaawk to some Skrillex
(But hey, whatever floats the collective butts... it's our job to create something better)
Ive spent a large part of the late 90 s travelling up the west coast in truck with a heap of records and gear playing free partys for the freaks in the nature.I truly felt/feel more connected to the native culture over there.And the freaks of course.In fact one of the factors for us was to promote understanding about where the fook we all were.lol
dude............ it's all just something to do until we die.
So why go through life with blinders on? Why miss something that would have been awesome just because you had to define yourself by one thing? why miss out on meeting someone really cool because of they way they dress or the color of their skin / hair?
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Isn't that a GOOD thing for us all, as artists?
Expand your audience?
That sort of thing?
Entirely. But I also think it's the responsibility of the older folks to introduce, reintroduce and support the music they listen to new listeners. Don't Bogart that music man.. spread it around.
A lot of people won't be able to admit it to themselves, but there comes a point, usually in your late 20s, where the times start to move ahead of you, and the new music no longer speaks to you. It starts to sound boring, tuneless, or maybe just laughably juvenile. You see this in the people who whine and moan that all new music sucks and everything was so much better back in [insert the era when they were between 16 and 25]. Sure, things have changed, but what they don't grasp is that they've changed too. Often "all new music is crap" really means "I can't relate to new music".
I'm now 30 & I fully agree. New music doesn't appeal to me as much as when I was 20.
Whatever. Speaking as a 35 year old... new music speaks to me more than some decades old crap that sucked even at the time it was popular.
Maybe in 20 years people will be waxing nostalgic for Skrillex the same way... there is a lot of interesting music that is not Skrillex being put out now that I bet kids in the future will dig up and mine, while people stuck in the past whine about how they can't relate to it. And why not, because they apparently missed it the first time around as well.
As this relates to the CM: history repeating itself.
On the other hand on the defence of my European brothers and sisters I will agree that Americans tend to have this habit of claiming they invented everything. Not true obviously and Im sure you would agree. When I was having a good moment I was over there touring in 97 and the electronic dance music scene was tiny compared to what it was like over here , mostly confined to a few big cities LA for Trance/NY for House and few clubs. The last time i was there gigging (2002/3) just before things went pear shaped over here I could see things had moved on a lot further but there was still a big gap. No, in fact it was a huge gap. Dance music was everywhere in the uk. It was no longer an underground scene and I do remember thinking the Americans are kind of missing out on something good here. But things are a lot different now in the US. You put on the best shows and you know how to have a damn good time. (I still have friends over there). ANd when you get an artists who is good biy do you guys push that artist, and you do it so well. Thats the American way.
Many Americans actually have a poor sense of knowledge concerning history, even American history. Most don't seem to truly value it and only use it to support some ideology or viewpoint of the moment. This is why you have stupid southerners claiming the founders of this country were Christian and founded it as a Christian nation, which they were not and did not. But you also have a generation who think computing began with Bill Gates or Steve Jobs. They have no clue who Turing was or what he did for computing and the seeds of AI. They don't know GPS and the internet stem from DARPA research. Most Americans think Tesla is just an electric car brand and could not tell you anything about the man. Most don't know Mercedes made the first automobile and think it was Ford. And don't get me started on the lack of critical thinking.
Regarding music, dance music in the US was biggest in the 70s through the 90s. But it took numerous forms, from disco, to new wave, to house, to deep house, to techno, etc. It has never died, but to outsiders it may look like it. Most outsiders just understand that the US historically has bred "cells" of music and dancing. For instance the style of Go-Go is ONLY a Washington DC thing, while Juke unfortunately is polluting Chicago at the moment. Dance music IS everywhere in the US, but what kind do you want? That's where it becomes a regional question. Hell - swing dancing is still big here in some places. And Disco is rebounding in New York.
The US is great for artist longevity. The UK inflates and discards artists like tissue paper. Big for one year and then erased. That is awful. I'm looking at you Duffy.
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Anyway, if it weren't for the French inventing Electro House none of us would be here talking about this stuff right now. I tell ya. the dance scene came so close to total collapse in Europe which would have meant the US as well around 2002/3 simply due to the amount of labels which had gone down entirely due to Napster (In a nutshell). There was no Itunes, No Beatport or Juno to buy music legally, but there were CDjs and other forms of gear to play MP3s. These DJs certainly werent buying the vinyl.
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Clubs were closing every other week as were distributors, Almost every indie dance record store has been wiped out. I mean literally there is about five left in the UK. THe UK lost around 80% of its indie dance labels over a two year period as piracy grew, over in Europe I dont know the figures but it wouldn't have been as much but perhaps 60%. The UK ones which survived were either one man bedroom ops with no over heads and some large-ish indies who managed to ride out the hard times until on line sales started happening where the thanks must go to Solely to Steve Jobs and no thanks to the majors who were to busy fighting about what should be done. They should have done exactly what Jobs did. And heres a guy who wasnt even involved in the dance scene, required no help or ideas from the music industry and just went ahead and launched Itunes.... But it was just a year to late and we lost a lot of helluva good labels and people from the scene in the UK. Im talking artists, distributors, shops and labels.
THen the the French suddenly appeared wth Electro House just as online selling became a reality. Over in blighty the infrastructure was all gone and the soul of the scene had vanished (and still is like that imo). But Suddenly people who had minimal, loop techno, and prog thrown down their throats for the previous few years (couldnt have been a worse time for that when things were falling apart) wanted to dance and go to clubs again becasue of Electro House. Thank you my French Brothers and Sisters for saving the dance music scene, as well as Steve Jobs. I dont thank BeatPort for reasons to many to go in to here. Today Electro House is still King. Its had an amazing run now for 10+ years and no one has tried to tear it down (yet). I hear it developing a little and wop woop bass line calming down a bit. Its allowing music in there as well rather than just cut ups and 20 variations of a bass line. So, its developing but it has been very slow to do so and my hunch is if it doesn't develop a little faster then something is going to come along and try and tear that house down. Dub Step has been a good development for the dance scene but theres a lot of jealousy surrounding the fact that its th Americans who have made it big. The Germans have been trying for ten years with minimal and prog pushing it to death and I wish they would just get over it and understand minimal doesnt work in clubs and isnt very popular. Its a scene killer. And please Get over it Germany (and Belgium) you dont have the scene you like to pretend you have. Berlin the centre of the music world my arse. On any weekend I would have far better time in California or Seattle.
I will say as a Chicago native I am happy House was embraced and further innovated by the French and Dutch. I love their contribution to the scene.
I like the Germans for their contributions as well, but not their really harsh stuff.
California and Seattle are great for music, but there are SEVERAL other pockets you have yet to discover. Just depends on what you want to hear. There's a reason Thievery Corp hails from DC.
I'm now 30 & I fully agree. New music doesn't appeal to me as much as when I was 20.
I'm 43 and I have greater love/appreciation for new music now. But not most of the on radio stuff. For me I love discovering and supporting new artists and catching live acts.
The stuff I tend to dislike the most is rap, since most of it is total nonsensical garbage. I prefer more cerebral art.
What are you talking about, Skrillex totally IS my favorite Electro artist!
I just laugh when I hear people talking about "electro" these days...electro was the stuff below.
Electro HOUSE shares like nothing with actual "electro" LOL...about as much as brostep shares with real dubstep. People are obviously lazy as hell - no sense of history - so they just reconstitute the name. Same ****ing idiots who don't know who Paul McCartney is and think the guy with the mouse head created EDM.
I just laugh when I hear people talking about "electro" these days...electro was the stuff below.
Electro HOUSE shares like nothing with actual "electro" LOL...about as much as brostep shares with real dubstep. People are obviously lazy as hell - no sense of history - so they just reconstitute the name. Same ****ing idiots who don't know who Paul McCartney is and think the guy with the mouse head created EDM.
I just laugh when I hear people talking about "electro" these days...electro was the stuff below.
Electro HOUSE shares like nothing with actual "electro" LOL...about as much as brostep shares with real dubstep. People are obviously lazy as hell - no sense of history - so they just reconstitute the name. Same ****ing idiots who don't know who Paul McCartney is and think the guy with the mouse head created EDM.
wow, that jackal and hyde brings back memories. one of my first electro records.
here are some other examples of the electro that i ultimately found and moved me; kids today have no ****ing clue. man, i sound old:
i played this record until the needle would slide across the vinyl, only 500 copies ever pressed and never repressed:
and speaking of ectomorph... as he once said. the love of the music comes from the LOVE OF THE SYNTH. this is what the club hoppers, punters, and scene bunnies will never understand. the true purity and soul of electronic music comes from those who take the cold, lifeless mass of hardware known as synthesizers and make them cry and wail like a human.
most dance music isn't about the music at all, it is about the scene. bleh.
sorry to everyone for whacking out, but the lame jabs at US citizens gets under my skin after a while. believe me, i'm no hardcore patriot, i generally don't give a damn about things like this one way or the other.
Totally understandable. I to cant stand it when i see on TV the portrayal of Americans as dumb, gun toting, red necks ( a fav pastime of the BBC). Its never explained to anyone why you have the right to bear arms, why it was added to your constitution etc. That document is unique. No other country has anything else like it. And those men who came up with it were very very smart.
Examples? you seem to be living in a completely different country to me spaceacademy. Ive never encountered an extreme right wing electronic music enthusiast before, I must say Im finding this quite curious. Most members of UKIP are more into fox hunting.
Im sorry, totally OT but this is really bizarre. The UK has the most extreme right-wing kleptocratic government it has had in the best part of a century, which is taking the well-loved BBC to pieces along with practically everything else that isnt nailed down - a better comparison would be with Yeltsin's post-communist oligarchs, not the USSR. They are even talking about privatising the police! OCP here we come. Are you Nigel Farage by any chance?
A you need to travel a lot more
B You need to read from many sources
C Whats wrong with Farage, hes been pretty much on the mark with everything he stands for.
D. If you cant see this country slowly turning in to a Police State that fine by me. But I dont want my kids growing up in a country so divided and self destructive as this, that by the time they are my age this country will be a dangerous police state hell hole to live in.
So anyway, yeah Crystal method. I always thought they were the poor mans Chemical Brothers (and Im not being anti US by stating this). But really the class difference in the music was and still is obvious. CM were just a couple guys who made break beat, just like a thousands of other guys. They just happened to get singled out in the states and championed by their brothers and sisters. At least their countrymen and women support them. Over here they wouldnt have lasted 2 years before being cast away irrelevant but they would never have gotten there in the first place. Someone above mentioned this as well. In the UK your lucky to get a few years before your cast away and ignored as a has been. Its not that you suddenly became crap or anything, your just not new enough now to be written about. Of course theres many exceptions but they tended to have been able to cross over to the mass stream aka Chemical Brothers. But a good UK house, techno, trance, electro producer may get a moment but these days its a very short moment. At least in the states you can actually be around making a living from your passion for a good many years because your fans are much more loyal than Europeans and so is the press. I guess the press in particularly recognise that casting perfectly good artists aside as quick as your unfinished dinner doesn't actually help sales in the long run.
Its not the labels fault, although some could do a lot more to help their artists. But If they cant get our small minded music press to open up and write about their artists there isnt much they can do other than promote on the FB, Twitter, YT which everyone is doing now.
... the portrayal of Americans as dumb, gun toting, red necks...
well, to be fair, there's plenty of those types for sure. there's also plenty of "mindless" music consumers that will happily eat up anything that the radio tells them to. but the country is so diverse and full of people with different tastes that blanket statements are just a load of bullshit. as if everyone in the UK and Europe have the most exquisite tastes in music and style. this coming from the same people that brought us Happy Hardcore, Euro-Trance, and a plethora of other completely laughable genres.
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any kind of nationalism is deluded insanity. I consider myself proud of all humans who have achieved something amazing, creative or otherwise, regardless of what artificial lines on the map they happened to have randomly been born between.
I just laugh when I hear people talking about "electro" these days...electro was the stuff below.
Electro HOUSE shares like nothing with actual "electro" LOL...about as much as brostep shares with real dubstep. People are obviously lazy as hell - no sense of history - so they just reconstitute the name. Same ****ing idiots who don't know who Paul McCartney is and think the guy with the mouse head created EDM.
I've had so many people argue with me about this, glad to konw there is still somebody who knows what's up!
any kind of nationalism is deluded insanity. I consider myself proud of all humans who have achieved something amazing, creative or otherwise, regardless of what artificial lines on the map they happened to have randomly been born between.
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this coming from the same people that brought us Happy Hardcore, Euro-Trance, and a plethora of other completely laughable genres.
must not forget to drop macca s name @ the party.......
