Originally Posted by Ged
Cabrone, heres a little ditty done with Sequential drum trax samples Funkion
not mixed that well - but it was a quick render in ableton - with a bit of the analog saturation in live
That's nice man!
Are those samples ones that are available around the net?
Originally Posted by analogbass
I could see that coming, but the thing is, the Drumtraks doesn't even have the "good" kind of stiff timing that the Rolands did, and wasn't popular like forever, until recently.
If a certain niche of music likes it now, it's probably because of the resurgence of electro, which is essentially an 80s synth and drum machine sound that predated most of the Rolands. That would include rather than focus on just the Drumtracks I suspect.
It was just called soul, funk, etc. It wasn't called R&B and certainly wasn't called electro. If the term electro existed, it was in regards to very narrow slices of hip hop.
Electro today is a revisionist term that I believe arose in trend-driven England, much much later after the fact. It's actually misleading, because the new "electro" sound of today lumps various musics of yesterday together that were never heard together-NYC club, rap, hip hop, electro that has in common a very synthy sound and particular drum patterns and sounds. These musics were heard by different crowds for the most part, but are now lumped together in "electro" because the current electro sound is essentially anything that sounds 80s synthy and features 80s drum sounds that were until recently, out of favor.
That's interesting to know, I always kinda wondered what it was called myself, I'd just call it electrofunk like the others mentioned but then I did some searching and 'Post-Disco' came up on wiki, not a very descriptive style, it seems to me though that this style(the electro but with more of a soul/rnb/jazz) influence was a bit slept on?? As in it doesn't even have it's own proper name lol. I get the feeling Italo-Disco was more popular in the 80s? Is that correct? It seems to be in the movies anyway...
But yeah the stuff I've been listening to ranges from the early Brit Funk & Jazzy funk stuff to the more poppy, rnb stuff from all over the 80s, and I do kinda lump it all together as it all his that similar feel and vibe, that I and I'm sure others love about it. :D
Originally Posted by analogbass
It's probably your samples then.
Those are the samples I have, up to scratch?
There are hundreds if not thousands of early-mid 80s records with that kickass Oberheim kit, and it's not that each producer used the same processing on them. No, those are just how good those sounds (and the Linndrum's) were, as the best drum machines on the market at the time.
At most, you could add a little EQ to those sounds, but that's how they sound, period.
The Limit and MJG-just reverb on the snare. On the Network track, reverb on the doubled clap/snare. That's it.
Here's another example. Classic early Jam & Lewis formula using stock Oberheim coupled with OB-8 I DIDN'T MEAN TO TURN YOU ON (ALBUM VERSION)- CHERRELLE - YouTube
Classic punchy Oberheim, again with not much more than a touch of reverb/echo on the kick, tamboreen, congas. The Oberheim and Linndrum were the musical standards in NYC, not Rolands. They fell out of favor because the Rolands became trendy not because they sounded better. Grandmaster Flash - White Lines (Don't Do It) (1983) Original - YouTube
I know of that Cherrele track(snare hits nicely) but even the kick in that doesn't have the same depth. It sounds alot more like the DMX kick I have..
So what is it that these guys in my example tracks were doing? Cause there's definetely something else going in, would it just the gate a sub technique?
That last track illustrates my point, if you listen to the kick in that and then the kick in my examples you can clearly hear the difference and that is the difference I'm trying to figure out, how do you make the DMX kit sturdy with depth?
I'm not even sure if the Network drumkit is the DMX? If you listen to the stock sample kick, how would you turn that into the kick in the Network track? Maybe it's a Roland kit?
ionian: No access to any outboard stuff, but I'm going to play more with saturation ITB.
roymaya: That's true yeah but I'm going to do the best I can ITB and I am aiming that be that great mixing engineer.
Sorry if it seems like I'm going on and on I just feel maybe some are not understanding what I'm talking about?
Another thing is the mastering, obviously back then they didn't slam it like we do todays, how much GR would there typically have been back then?
Thanks guys for your suggestions so far.