max martin sound

[nznexus]

any help would be appreciated

[nznexus]

I am very interested but at that time. lets say 2000. How do you think max martin worked? What synths did he utlize in his production? What Mixer did he use to Mix? SSL? solidstatelogic? Also where do you think he got his samples back then? DID they and Denniz pop sample from vinyl or did they hire real drummers ? What do you think about the bass? Was it a synth basses they used or did they use real guitars? DID they layer the bass?

What about vocal production? Layering? Filtering? Stacking? What you think? How did they do it, autotune?

PLEASE!

[JamzProd]

Roland JV-2080, EMU Vintage Keys, Korg M1 ect.

Him and Denniz PoP mostly sampled drums. They did their own funky guitar licks and re-used them over and over again.

He also adds 0.2 db to the chorus.

Nowadays he uses the Virus TI more often than not.

Dude I love Max and Luke, but don't focus on their sounds and the way they makes the beats, you can make your own sounds and develop your own style. Focus on their songwriting and their approach to produce a song, unless you wanna be like Scott Storch and be a good beatmaker. Real producers write/produce good songs, beatmakers make beats.

[Heyclown]

They sampled a lot from vinyl. They sequenced a lot on MIDI. And they hired real musicians for bass and instruments. Cheiron was the king of layering. Layer mostly everything. And double percussions and hihats and claps and pan them all.

You should really get the Studio magazine. And see how they build up Pinks Raise your glass. If you are into Max Martin you MUST have that issue. Period.
You can buy it on Studios iPad app.

[Heyclown]

It´s sweep sounds. Can be built in many ways or bought ready as samples. Vengeance has a lot of sweeps in their EFX packages. Or you can use a synth to make them.

[Entrainer]

OP are you max martin? 3 threads
Keep it up, we'll get that name in THE CLOUD

[BombsandBottles]

Take any simple wave, (or complex if you wanna get freaky). Pitch bend upwards + band pass (or low pass) filter with high resonance to sweep through the midrange into the high range to get that "wooowwwwww"

edit : to compliment your wave...create a white noise sweep to that has gain automation that parallels the band pass and pitch bend

[Reptil]

threads merged

[nznexus]

Originally Posted by Heyclown

They sampled a lot from vinyl. They sequenced a lot on MIDI. And they hired real musicians for bass and instruments. Cheiron was the king of layering. Layer mostly everything. And double percussions and hihats and claps and pan them all.

You should really get the Studio magazine. And see how they build up Pinks Raise your glass. If you are into Max Martin you MUST have that issue. Period.
You can buy it on Studios iPad app.

thank you

[nznexus]

Originally Posted by Heyclown

It´s sweep sounds. Can be built in many ways or bought ready as samples. Vengeance has a lot of sweeps in their EFX packages. Or you can use a synth to make them.

what synth would you recommend for that type of sounds then?

i dont really like vengeance.. everyone is using vengeance. i want to have my own sound.

[Heyclown]

what synth would you recommend for that type of sounds then?

Synthstrings and swelling synth patches from any synth you have at your disposal. I use stock Logic synths or Sylenth, Gladiator, Cyclone, Omnisphere, Massive. But don´t go buy any synths for these sweeps/swells. It really can be made with any stock synths that has synth strings and synth swells.

The Backstreet one at 1:00 is synth strings, a sweep with white noise or similar (I use ESP or ES2 in Logic or a Vengeance sweep) and a human scream. And a synth bass. Layered (several tracks of each). Use reverb.
The Britney one at 00:15 is even easier. A guitar that almost dies at 00:13 and then a couple of simple swelling synth patches automated for volume. Any swelling synth patch here will do. Use your stock synth and layer them. I use a lot of Spectrasonics Omnisphere for swells but any stock synth will do. It´s the layering and filtering/effects that matters. Pan some too. Reverbs!
Keep in mind that Cheiron (and Max) always layer(ed) such sounds. Cheiron/Max was/is the Kings of Layers!
These sweeps and buildups are rather simple solutions compared to the sweeps and buildups you hear in todays productions.

[cixelsyd]

Originally Posted by nznexus

what synth would you recommend for that type of sounds then?

i dont really like vengeance.. everyone is using vengeance. i want to have my own sound.

The sweep sounds I heard in the video's can be made with just about any basic 2 osc subtractive synth. Chase a 3 osc one though it can do slightly wider range of colours


hope this helps

[Sotsirc]

Originally Posted by nznexus

what synth would you recommend for that type of sounds then?

i dont really like vengeance.. everyone is using vengeance. i want to have my own sound.

Seems like you want Max Martin's sound. Or maybe just trying to decipher it in order to learn more about production?

[nznexus]

Originally Posted by Sotsirc

Seems like you want Max Martin's sound. Or maybe just trying to decipher it in order to learn more about production?

i try to learn his music from the late 90s... i want to send him a dvd when i got plenty of songs.

[jv2612]

Originally Posted by nznexus

i want to have my own sound.

Originally Posted by nznexus

i try to learn his music from the late 90s

[nznexus]

Originally Posted by Heyclown

Synthstrings and swelling synth patches from any synth you have at your disposal. I use stock Logic synths or Sylenth, Gladiator, Cyclone, Omnisphere, Massive. But don´t go buy any synths for these sweeps/swells. It really can be made with any stock synths that has synth strings and synth swells.

The Backstreet one at 1:00 is synth strings, a sweep with white noise or similar (I use ESP or ES2 in Logic or a Vengeance sweep) and a human scream. And a synth bass. Layered (several tracks of each). Use reverb.
The Britney one at 00:15 is even easier. A guitar that almost dies at 00:13 and then a couple of simple swelling synth patches automated for volume. Any swelling synth patch here will do. Use your stock synth and layer them. I use a lot of Spectrasonics Omnisphere for swells but any stock synth will do. It´s the layering and filtering/effects that matters. Pan some too. Reverbs!
Keep in mind that Cheiron (and Max) always layer(ed) such sounds. Cheiron/Max was/is the Kings of Layers!
These sweeps and buildups are rather simple solutions compared to the sweeps and buildups you hear in todays productions.

i better get myself a roland jv 2080 and xv for these type of sounds with the expansions... and actually gladiator isnt that good.. very outdated sound. massive is OK.. i still prefer nexus.

[nznexus]

Originally Posted by Entrainer

OP are you max martin? 3 threads
Keep it up, we'll get that name in THE CLOUD

no im not max martin

[mike vee]

you guys keep falling for this troll lol

backstreet boys? hahaha

[nznexus]

Originally Posted by mike vee

you guys keep falling for this troll lol

I think I may not be falling for you.

blocked !

[Heyclown]

Originally Posted by nznexus

i better get myself a roland jv 2080 and xv for these type of sounds with the expansions... and actually gladiator isnt that good.. very outdated sound. massive is OK.. i still prefer nexus.

Mentioning getting yourself a JV2080 and calling Gladiator outdated in the same sentence must be a world record in something! oO

Best of luck; don´t let this thread slid off the top half of the first page

[ChristianRock]

nznexus is the resident supertroll

every forum needs one, apparently

[nznexus]

Originally Posted by jv2612

why confused.

i study max martins and rami yacoub productions. i dont think many people do that at all.

[nznexus]

Originally Posted by JamzProd

Roland JV-2080, EMU Vintage Keys, Korg M1 ect.

Him and Denniz PoP mostly sampled drums. They did their own funky guitar licks and re-used them over and over again.

He also adds 0.2 db to the chorus.

Nowadays he uses the Virus TI more often than not.

Dude I love Max and Luke, but don't focus on their sounds and the way they makes the beats, you can make your own sounds and develop your own style. Focus on their songwriting and their approach to produce a song, unless you wanna be like Scott Storch and be a good beatmaker. Real producers write/produce good songs, beatmakers make beats.

thank you ... awsome post. well for me its hard to believe that. they made some of the biggest songs with simple tools such as the trinity, or emu vintage keys.. they must know how to program all these sounds..

the cheiron productions are ultra detailed.. i love how they programmed the drums and i love the orchestra hits.. thats right

[nznexus]

I'm sure that they make there own 'hits'. there are a lot of different elements with in them. There is percussion, orchestral punch element, a brass effect.

Britney spears stronger... not a distorted guitar as i tough, but a fog horn.

the 'hits' use for bsb differ to the ones they use for Britney, which differ again from the ones the use for west life etc etc.

If you listen to the reworked version of when you're looking like that, that is just crammed full of those little 'hits'. I think the dynamics in that bit of music are amazing.

I don't think it is the best 'cheiron' song by a long way, but it is definitely what i consider to be one of the top 5 bits of pop music the world has ever heard. Over protected is another good example of the use of a large ammount of dynamics.

The dynamics obviously give the songs a lot of punchy little feels in to them, but also mark when another element of music comes in or goes out of the track.

to me one of the clearest point to me that a song was 'cheiron' was always the rythmn.

The high-hat closing right before every fourth snare beat, that was always the initial give away.


last year i spent a couple of months listening to various cheiron tracks and analyzed the structure.

I'm not saying that i have it figured out totally.

. But the songs i analyzed and tried to break down all followed the same format.

I made notes on various things. I there is always an introductory lyric which expands into the first verse, then chorus 1, verse2, chorus2, then that always leads into the middle eight. straight after middle eight you have the key change and verse three then the chorus is repeated 2 or 3 times.

hmmm

[groundbass]

Originally Posted by nznexus

. But the songs i analyzed and tried to break down all followed the same format.

I made notes on various things. I there is always an introductory lyric which expands into the first verse, then chorus 1, verse2, chorus2, then that always leads into the middle eight. straight after middle eight you have the key change and verse three then the chorus is repeated 2 or 3 times.

hmmm

You dont say - THATS how songs generally go?

[nznexus]

FINALLY FOUND THIS SOUND I WAS LOOKING FOR.

its from E-MU's classic Orbit 3 Sound Module!


finally. btw its a pad sound..