Groovy or expressive programming in Trackers

Night_Suit · 9th February 2012

Hello,

I'm a (fairly) happy Renoise user of a couple of months now and am enjoying it as a means of getting track ideas down pretty quickly and, by some strange virtue of the GUI, making better arrangements.

The one thing I really struggle with presently is the "mechanical" nature of tracking sequencers. I can apply groove to drum parts and the note on/note off approach works well with fast parts (16th note basslines etc). I understand there are hexadecimal key commands that affect delays between and during note on/note off info, I just really struggle to wrap my head around how to recreate, say, playing a couple of quarter notes with sixteenth note length breaks between them, then holding the notes for eights etc...

I have had a look at the Renoise fora and tutorials online and I am struggling to understand what commands or equivalent values would have that same effect. For percussive parts, I've note used anything so handy in a long time, but for melodies and pads etc, I'd love to be able to affect note lengths and the breaks between notes more easily.

Thanks for any help or suggestions you can make...

CFCarter · 9th February 2012

I've got the same problem. I really struggle to get my tunes "groovy". The shuffle funct in Renoise isnt really any useful. But they are talking about this track delay function, you'll fint it on the first page on the renoise tips/trix forum on renoise.com. Check it out. Note on/off is useful. If its the percs u could use an external sequenser, like for example Geist or Nerve and use the internal shuffle there. Or put a small amount of silence in the beginning of the perc samples, will get the same result as track delay, if i've understood it correctly....

Anyway. I guess its got a bit to do with the fact that you have 100% control of the sequensing in Renoise. I love it, but when it comes to "feeling"/"human"/"shuffle" i think we have a bit of a problem. If anyone know anything more than me, i'll be glad to hear about it!

sn0rk · 9th February 2012

No Renoise users here.

Renoise forums.

Sent from my ADR6300 using Gearslutz.com

Night_Suit · 10th February 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by sn0rk

No Renoise users here.

Renoise forums.

Sent from my ADR6300 using Gearslutz.com

...

Sam an huel · 16th February 2012

If i want someting more natural i just play it live on a midi keyboard. your playing is recorded and translated in delays/velocity commands etc...

9th February 2012	#1
Night_Suit Gear maniac Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 190 Thread Starter	Groovy or expressive programming in Trackers Hello, I'm a (fairly) happy Renoise user of a couple of months now and am enjoying it as a means of getting track ideas down pretty quickly and, by some strange virtue of the GUI, making better arrangements. The one thing I really struggle with presently is the "mechanical" nature of tracking sequencers. I can apply groove to drum parts and the note on/note off approach works well with fast parts (16th note basslines etc). I understand there are hexadecimal key commands that affect delays between and during note on/note off info, I just really struggle to wrap my head around how to recreate, say, playing a couple of quarter notes with sixteenth note length breaks between them, then holding the notes for eights etc... I have had a look at the Renoise fora and tutorials online and I am struggling to understand what commands or equivalent values would have that same effect. For percussive parts, I've note used anything so handy in a long time, but for melodies and pads etc, I'd love to be able to affect note lengths and the breaks between notes more easily. Thanks for any help or suggestions you can make...

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9th February 2012	#2
CFCarter Gear interested Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 6	I've got the same problem. I really struggle to get my tunes "groovy". The shuffle funct in Renoise isnt really any useful. But they are talking about this track delay function, you'll fint it on the first page on the renoise tips/trix forum on renoise.com. Check it out. Note on/off is useful. If its the percs u could use an external sequenser, like for example Geist or Nerve and use the internal shuffle there. Or put a small amount of silence in the beginning of the perc samples, will get the same result as track delay, if i've understood it correctly.... Anyway. I guess its got a bit to do with the fact that you have 100% control of the sequensing in Renoise. I love it, but when it comes to "feeling"/"human"/"shuffle" i think we have a bit of a problem. If anyone know anything more than me, i'll be glad to hear about it!

9th February 2012	#3
sn0rk Gear Head Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 41	No Renoise users here. Renoise forums. Sent from my ADR6300 using Gearslutz.com

16th February 2012	#5
Sam an huel Gear addict Joined: Jan 2007 Location: France Posts: 308	If i want someting more natural i just play it live on a midi keyboard. your playing is recorded and translated in delays/velocity commands etc...