I've Developed a Psycholgical Barrier to Purchasing an Acoustic Instrument

[gremlin moon]

Has this happened to anyone?

For instance, I want a nylon-string guitar and also a set of the newer Tabla-style frame drums from Remo, but my synthesizer use has somehow morphed into viewing acoustic instruments as too limited in timbre and thus dollar-for-dollar a bad value. Does this feeling go away? or once the transformation is complete there is no going back?

[Brickman]

Go into a shop and play the instrument . U will soon figure out if its right for u .

[Meow]

Holy crap I have experienced the exact same thing and I've only been "synthing" for a year!!

When I was 16 my parents got me an incredible acoustic guitar, a Lakewood, handmade, less than 100 made per year, About $6k!!!

Needless to say it sounds magnificent, but since getting into making mostly electronic based stuff I hadn't played it much in the last six months, so the night before last I wanted to use it in a song and while getting my levels set it suddenly hit me that "wow this really doesn't sound that interesting".

I think I should be shot for saying that about my baby!!!

[Mardi Gras]

I've tried every whichway to fit guitar into electronic music. It just doesn't fit unless you're doing disco.

[Franc]

Originally Posted by gremlin moon

Has this happened to anyone?

For instance, I want a nylon-string guitar and also a set of the newer Tabla-style frame drums from Remo, but my synthesizer use has somehow morphed into viewing acoustic instruments as too limited in timbre and thus dollar-for-dollar a bad value. Does this feeling go away? or once the transformation is complete there is no going back?

I have the same aversion to Non-Analog synths. Who needs that junk?

Anything DX-7 or later

The new analogs maybe but "it just ain't" the same.

[Meow]

Originally Posted by Franc

I have the same aversion to Non-Analog synths. Who needs that junk?

Anything DX-7 or later

The new analogs maybe but "it just ain't" the same.

I need it lol!!

Us broke folks wanna make the musics too ya know!

It's ok if it's not the same for me cause I didn't grow up with them or anything, so I don't even know what the same would be LOL!!

[kcearl]

Originally Posted by Mardi Gras

I've tried every whichway to fit guitar into electronic music. It just doesn't fit unless you're doing disco.

i fit guitars into most of my tracks

acoustic guitars will be a little more difficult in my own stuff but I own a couple, including a lush 1972 12 string

no instrument supersedes another imo, I dont own any drums, theyd be interesting, but living in an apartment limits things

i have a tambourine and an egg shaker lol

[nrvana8775]

Originally Posted by Mardi Gras

I've tried every whichway to fit guitar into electronic music. It just doesn't fit unless you're doing disco.

I have about $3k worth of pedals that almost get my guitar into synth-friendly territory. I could have a fun juno for 1/6th of that.

I guess I at least have good synth processing power.

[Franc]

Originally Posted by Meow

I need it lol!!

Us broke folks wanna make the musics too ya know!

It's ok if it's not the same for me cause I didn't grow up with them or anything, so I don't even know what the same would be LOL!!

Dude - I am crying for you because you got a $6,000 guitar at age 16!

Sell it and get a Jupiter 8.

(just kidding - don't take offense)

I tell people - The analog way or the highway.

I only use tube amps, tube plug-ins and tube microphones for that warm tube professional sound. I put my 35" tube TV next to my tube microphone.

Mastering - Just Another Day 01 - Tube Guy - YouTube

[Franc]

Originally Posted by Mardi Gras

I've tried every whichway to fit guitar into electronic music. It just doesn't fit unless you're doing disco.

Conny Plank got them to work together.

Ultravox - Slow Motion (Live At Reading 1978) (Remastered) - YouTube

I think there is some guitar in this song.

Blue Monday by New Order - YouTube

[Zombie H]

Originally Posted by Meow

Holy crap I have experienced the exact same thing and I've only been "synthing" for a year!!

When I was 16 my parents got me an incredible acoustic guitar, a Lakewood, handmade, less than 100 made per year, About $6k!!!

Needless to say it sounds magnificent, but since getting into making mostly electronic based stuff I hadn't played it much in the last six months, so the night before last I wanted to use it in a song and while getting my levels set it suddenly hit me that "wow this really doesn't sound that interesting".

I think I should be shot for saying that about my baby!!!

[kcearl]

Originally Posted by Meow

Holy crap I have experienced the exact same thing and I've only been "synthing" for a year!!

When I was 16 my parents got me an incredible acoustic guitar, a Lakewood, handmade, less than 100 made per year, About $6k!!!

so youve only had it for less than a year...how ungrateful

[Mystr Tiger]

Acoustic instruments should be in everyone's arsenal, if only to appreciate "real" sound (and I don't mean this in any negative way - what I mean is that it's nice to hear a real string or drum vibrating the molecules in the room instead of it always being the speakers).

I employ synths and think they provide a huge spectrum of sounds, but I also like to use acoustic guitars, electric gtrs, and electric bass.

I used sampled pianos and drums, but if I had room and proper acoustics I would like to also have a real piano and set of drums.

There are many nuances and articulations when it comes to playing an instrument, and some are difficult to achieve with a synth. But, there are also a lot of ways to express oneself on a synth using all of the various controllers. Being able to play both synth and an acoustic instrument is a rewarding experience - some day I might even get good at it.

As far as whether an instrument fits, I guess that depends on what sounds you have in mind for the arrangement. I've noticed myself that once I have a few synths going it's hard to find the sonic space to add a gtr. Another approach might be to start with the gtr and then add the synths around it - might help by having the gtr space already carved out.

[slippast]

I'm mainly a guitar player but I have absolutely no interest in seeking out guitars or amps.

I guess I look at guys who have 25 guitars and I wonder why. But I see the rooms packed with synths in the porn thread and think it's perfectly justified.

I've watched some amazing guitar deals slip away without batting an eye, such as a closeted 1967 Fender Mustang with matching Princeton amp for $300. But I still lose sleep about many, many missed synth deals. In hindsight I probably should've flipped that combo and bought a JP8 or something...

[Zombie H]

Originally Posted by kcearl

so youve only had it for less than a year...how ungrateful

objection: leading the witness

[WDM]

Originally Posted by Meow

Holy crap I have experienced the exact same thing and I've only been "synthing" for a year!!

When I was 16 my parents got me an incredible acoustic guitar, a Lakewood, handmade, less than 100 made per year, About $6k!!!

Needless to say it sounds magnificent, but since getting into making mostly electronic based stuff I hadn't played it much in the last six months, so the night before last I wanted to use it in a song and while getting my levels set it suddenly hit me that "wow this really doesn't sound that interesting".

I think I should be shot for saying that about my baby!!!

Wow!

Your parents should buy you a Baby Taylor instead



or you should start learning how to mic those things

[Meow]

Originally Posted by kcearl

so youve only had it for less than a year...how ungrateful

LOL I'm sure this is a joke on me but the real joke is I can't figure it out! Hahahah!!

In reality I've had it for like 6 years? Heh

[Meow]

Originally Posted by WDM

Wow!

Your parents should buy you a Baby Taylor instead



or you should start learning how to mic those things

Why a baby Taylor? Cause my hands are small? My ex-boyfriend used to call them "carny hands" whatever the heck that means.

And I'm pretty good at micing it!

[WDM]

Originally Posted by Meow

Why a baby Taylor? Cause my hands are small? My ex-boyfriend used to call them "carny hands" whatever the heck that means.

And I'm pretty good at micing it!

So, use it and the Reason will start sound not that interesting

[Meow]

Originally Posted by WDM

So, use it and the Reason will start sound not that interesting

Well I do use it silly! lol!

It was the only instrument I had besides our piano since I was like 13 till a year ago

[Zombie H]

i cannot even fathom my parents giving me a 6k acoustic guitar

don't get me wrong they helped me get my first loan to buy proper gear but just out and out giving me a 6k guitar - that i then never went on to play

I still remember working for a year to buy my first proper classical study guitar which was about 3.5k to get into uni with

[Beermaster]

I've often come across parents who ignorantly think that buying their kid an expensive instrument will improve their child's ability to play.... despite not grasping the simple fact that their child will only improve if he practices and even then it will take years and years to slowly develop a techniuqe.

OP. Getting into learning a real instrument will be very beneficial to you on many levels. For one it will enable you to see beyond the surface of music and real instruments and start to see the things you've not seen before.... the variations on sound, the different ways to produce the sound and of course the 'music' and how it works. Many of these things won't be obvious to people who haven't really listened to and studied these instruments...

..BUT !. Unlike the quick fix easy ride that a lot of EDM and DAWs allow some users in seeming to enable them to 'produce' music, a real instrument is going to require dedication and regular practice and lessons to get your chops and become a musician... no pain, no gain...slow progress but big rewards when you get your act together !

Go for it !

Beer.

[Meow]

Ok somehow I'm realizing I shouldn't have added the details of my guitar. I really thought that looking at pictures in the studio thread and then hearing people list $50k in synths they own that it was ok to be proud of something nice you owned.

Also I'm not sure how I came off as saying I received this guitar and then never played it. I played hours upon hours every single day for 4 years!! You know if you start learning a new instrument you are in fact allowed to not play your old one for a few months even if it's expensive!!

And I don't think my parents bought it for me because they thought it would make me better. They didn't care if I got better or worse they let me and my siblings find what we liked in life and didn't push us but did encourage us and help us. My brother got a car when he turned 16, so did my younger sister, I asked for a new guitar instead of a car. I saved them money trust me.

I really did not see all the backlash coming from that. Sorry guys, I'll know better next time.

[Myrok Rolles]

haha give the girl & her parents a break, just because she didn't go on to become taylor swift doesn't mean it was a complete waste and her parents are fools.

Now she has an amazing guitar to practice on and she is dedicated to music, what more can you ask for? Maybe they bought it for her so they could...you know... hear her play it once in a while.. not so they could profit when she uses it to become rich? And big deal... her parents are lucky enough to afford a world class guitar instead of the fender squire we all got we were 16... ooo lets all get super jelly and make her feel sh!tty.. gotta love GS

[Zombie H]

Originally Posted by Meow

Ok somehow I'm realizing I shouldn't have added the details of my guitar. I really thought that looking at pictures in the studio thread and then hearing people list $50k in synths they own that it was ok to be proud of something nice you owned.

Also I'm not sure how I came off as saying I received this guitar and then never played it. I played hours upon hours every single day for 4 years!! You know if you start learning a new instrument you are in fact allowed to not play your old one for a few months even if it's expensive!!

And I don't think my parents bought it for me because they thought it would make me better. They didn't care if I got better or worse they let me and my siblings find what we liked in life and didn't push us but did encourage us and help us. My brother got a car when he turned 16, so did my younger sister, I asked for a new guitar instead of a car. I saved them money trust me.

I really did not see all the backlash coming from that. Sorry guys, I'll know better next time.

Backlash? It's text on a screen

I was more outraged that you were saying you don't play it more relax ....I'm sorry but no people are not allowed to stop playing acoustic guitar it's just fun.

Can you post some video of you jamming the guitar maybe with a catsuit on?

[audslu]

Originally Posted by Mardi Gras

I've tried every whichway to fit guitar into electronic music. It just doesn't fit unless you're doing disco.

Here are some very good examples:


Also there many house tracks with soloish or blues electric guitar licks out there....

In ambient/downtempo it sounds just great i think, well actualy i like any kind of guitar use in electronica. I have finished a couple of ambient-downtempo tracks heavily realying on acoustic guitar (realguitar's stereo acoustic which i find excellent). I also have other loungy-house tracks with acoustic guitar riffs and such in the making....

Originally Posted by slippast

I'm mainly a guitar player but I have absolutely no interest in seeking out guitars or amps.

I guess I look at guys who have 25 guitars and I wonder why. But I see the rooms packed with synths in the porn thread and think it's perfectly justified.

I've watched some amazing guitar deals slip away without batting an eye, such as a closeted 1967 Fender Mustang with matching Princeton amp for $300. But I still lose sleep about many, many missed synth deals. In hindsight I probably should've flipped that combo and bought a JP8 or something...

Same here. Except i don't even look for guitar deals. I like to use pedals with synths though, i only have a classical guitar atm.

[audslu]

Originally Posted by Zombie H

Backlash? It's text on a screen

I was more outraged that you were saying you don't play it more relax ....I'm sorry but no people are not allowed to stop playing acoustic guitar it's just fun.

Can you post some video of you jamming the guitar maybe with a catsuit on?

@meow In gs you should get used to posts like that!

[gremlin moon]

Originally Posted by Beermaster

OP. Getting into learning a real instrument will be very beneficial to you on many levels. For one it will enable you to see beyond the surface of music

Definitely agree -- but I'm actually a guitar player originally and my intention was to focus on getting a new (and needed) guitar, but for the same price I think about what I could spend it on at Analogue Haven. . . there is this obviously wrongful tendency to equate it with being tied down to one "patch."

[I guess the dilemma is that I can "disappear" while playing the guitar and I can "disappear" into synthesis but I don't "disappear" while playing the keyboard. I'm researching this: Products
(the Graph Tech midi ghost system) which after installation is over $500 -- which is premium for a non-sound producing or modifying element. It all seems to makes sense on paper]

[Zombie H]

Originally Posted by audslu

@meow In gs you should get used to posts like that!

I am something of a monster

[audslu]

Originally Posted by Zombie H

I am something of a monster

I 'm just saying. If you didn't tease already, i probably would, in some differrent way...!

The catsuit is not a bad idea, but i think casual is good too. Have you seen any Juliette Valduriez vids? We need that chicka to post over here!

Meow is doing pretty good but doesn't have any vids so far....