Flame "tame machine"

[jeremysdemo]

I really didn't want to be the first guy posting a thread with this title here but....

I am secure enough in my sexuality to do so,

Anyway this has been out for nearly a year now and I am wondering if anyone wants to share their experiences with it with us.

More specifically I am curious if the device also records incoming LFO/VCO or other CV data that can be played back on one of the loops.

I've looked at a few Y-tube demonstrations of the device and could not make out if anyone was sending it CV data in besides notes/triggers.

keep shinin

jerm

[shaft9000]

only the keyboard-section and gate, beat and cv2 knobs are recorded. incoming CV is sent directly to the quantizer and not recorded.

you can use a tyme sefari as a fsu-style cv recorder. modcan is bringing theirs to eurorack soon iirc.

[jeremysdemo]

Originally Posted by shaft9000

only the keyboard-section and gate, beat and cv2 knobs are recorded. incoming CV is sent directly to the quantizer and not recorded.

you can use a tyme sefari as a fsu-style cv recorder. modcan is bringing theirs to eurorack soon iirc.

Interesting, the reason I ask is because so much of how a note is played or sounds when it gets out to modules is dependent on what type of wav. it is shaped as and any modulation/sweep is on it.
It just doesn't make much sense to me to just record the note only data, really that is only part of the information that makes up the note in the first place, on/off and velocity.

So you are saying a tyme sefari or one of Mocans devices will store prases and sweeps for sequenced notes?

Do you have any other device names or manufacture? (be specific to model #'s to save readers time) that will record note and other CV data with them?

I don't really care if they are Euro rack or not, I'd actually prefer standard 19" rack mount plate design with or without chassis.

thanks again

jerm

[shaft9000]

CV is neither a note nor data. it's a stream of voltage and that's all.

i suggest that you might wish to research just what CVs are and re-evaluate your fundamental assumptions about how they work.
all CV signals are quite simple; either an AC(bipolar) or DC(unipolar) waveform or pulse/gate/trigger. In reality it is even simpler than that, as all gates and triggers are just variations of a pulse.

The Tame Machine is a bizarre contraption full of quirks and is (for now) poorly documented in print - i dare anyone to count the typos and grammatical nonsense in that manual LOL. It takes a while to come to grips with unless you have good German and plenty of modular experience already.

I suggest going to MuffWiggler.com and reading up on the many many great articles and posts/wiki available there!
Good luck!

[jeremysdemo]

yes I understand CV voltage is not "note data"

it doesn't become a note until it passed through my CV to Midi converter and then onto the modules.

It's sort of a generality to refer to the voltage variances the Flame produces as "notes" in that context, and all the things that make each one "sound differently" (eg. pitch, velocity, oscillation etc) otherwise we can't have a conversation about it.

the Flame boast this:
1. QUANTIZER / KEYBOARD / LOOPER
2. BEAT- / CV-LOOPER

again I don't know how it can loop a keyboard or beat cv pulses (granted it is in voltage not audio) without saving the other aspects of those voltage differences eg, sloped, cut off,wav form etc)
for general discussion purposed (not to make and end all definition of the term for posterity) I am going to call that CV "note" data, otherwise it would just be a single on off beep/trigger with nothing else defining it's, length, pitch, etc.

keep shinin

jerm

[controlvoltage]

Originally Posted by jeremysdemo

yes I understand CV voltage is not "note data"

it doesn't become a note until it passed through my CV to Midi converter and then onto the modules.

It's sort of a generality to refer to the voltage variances the Flame produces as "notes" in that context, and all the things that make each one "sound differently" (eg. pitch, velocity, oscillation etc) otherwise we can't have a conversation about it.
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again I don't know how it can loop a keyboard or beat cv pulses (granted it is in voltage not audio) without saving the other aspects of those voltage differences eg, sloped, cut off,wav form etc)

It's cool that you are into this stuff. You really need to get a better handle on the very basics, though.

Can anyone suggest some good reading material for our friend here?

[Reptil]

I'd recommend this for EVERYONE Synthesis tips and tutorials - How to create your own patches

I ordered the Tame Machine but seeing the learning curve and how the control surface is organised i changed my mind. I just couldn't be bothered.
So, note please it's really a complicated tool, it's great but it's quirky!
If you're a freak, then it's perfectly ok I guess. pair it with a nice soundsource like a capable oscillator (or pair of oscillators) and some interesting CV source. the quantiser, scale generator looks good.


I did buy a Flame knob recorder but still have to update it's firmware. I have to install all kinds of crap on my computer, and then attempt some software surgery and transplant on the module just to do that.

The Flame Clockwork is very usable btw, if you want some funky control over LFO sequences, and not so complicated/convoluted.
a n a l o g u e h a v e n
Or an Echometer
http://www.analoguehaven.com/flame/echometer/

[jeremysdemo]

Originally Posted by Reptil

I did buy a Flame knob recorder but still have to update it's firmware. I have to install all kinds of crap on my computer, and then attempt some software surgery and transplant on the module just to do that.

thanks for the review, I have been checking out that unit too.
I was wondering how well it would work to record a beat sequence, then bump that down to #2 by recording it down there, then recording a bass line sequence at the top, kinda like a live looper to build layers.

Originally Posted by Reptil

The Flame Clockwork is very usable btw, if you want some funky control over LFO sequences, and not so complicated/convoluted.
a n a l o g u e h a v e n
Or an Echometer
a n a l o g u e h a v e n

My LFO's, VCO. VCA's and Ring mods are being controlled by the timing coming in from Midi, as well as other CC data on the control tracks.
I like analog echo but prefer to use echo as a long looper as the first riff starts to fade off you add another layer....works a lot better in digital than analog since the delay times are so short on analog units.
I think Modcan makes one that is digital and goes up to 105 seconds so if I was going to get any for practical purposes it would be that one.


all this stuff is pretty over priced IMHO, for what it really is and does, something you could build DIY for a 1/4 of the price in most cases and to your own specifications.


keep shinin

jerm

[jeremysdemo]

Originally Posted by controlvoltage

It's cool that you are into this stuff. You really need to get a better handle on the very basics, though.

yeah some people do that, they will post a thread in a place with knowledgeable people that have experience in hopes some of them would be kind enough to contribute and something can be gleamed in laymen's terms that they can understand.

many of the articles and tutorials I am reading do not have that in mind, it's probably simple stuff for someone with an engineering degree tho.

keep shinin

jerm